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From: Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>
To: Jamal Hadi <hadi@shell.cyberus.ca>
Cc: ralph+d@istop.com, CIT/Paul <xerox@foonet.net>,
	"'Simon Kirby'" <sim@netnation.com>,
	"'David S. Miller'" <davem@redhat.com>,
	"netdev@oss.sgi.com" <netdev@oss.sgi.com>,
	"linux-net@vger.kernel.org" <linux-net@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Route cache performance under stress
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:41:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87el21wzb7.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030610061010.Y36963@shell.cyberus.ca> (Jamal Hadi's message of "Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:53:04 -0400 (EDT)")

Jamal Hadi <hadi@shell.cyberus.ca> writes:

> Typically, real world is less intense than the lab. Ex: noone sends
> 100Mbps at 64 byte packet size.

Unfortunately, compromised hosts do send such traffic, and DoS victims
receive it. 8-(

You don't want your core routers to break down just because a couple
of the 150,000 hosts in your regional network have been compromised
(think of Slammer) or you are running an IRC server.

> Have you seen how the big boys advertise?

Typical GSR linecards for OC-48 are specified to handle 2 Mpps, but
the switch fabric is reportedly somewhat inert and the router might
choke before that if there are too many linecards involved (I haven't
observed this personally, this just chatter from someone who works
daily with those beasts).  A couple of hundred kpps aren't a problem
for those routers, though, as are 300 Mbit (or was it 400?) of Slammer
traffic (with random destination addresses).

In general, the forwarding performance is nowadays specified in pps
and even flows per second if you look carefully at the data sheets.
Most vendors have learnt that people want routers with comforting
worst-case behavior.  However, you have to read carefully, e.g. a
Catalyst 6500 with Supervisor Engine 1 (instead of 2) can only create
650,000 flows per second, even if it has a much, much higher peak IP
forwarding rate.

(The times of routers which died when confronted with a rapid ICMP
sweep across a /16 are gone for good, I hope.)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-06-10 18:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 217+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <87d6iit4g7.fsf@deneb.enyo.de>
     [not found] ` <20030517.150933.74723581.davem@redhat.com>
     [not found]   ` <87iss87gqd.fsf@deneb.enyo.de>
2003-05-18  9:31     ` Route cache performance under stress David S. Miller
2003-05-19 17:36       ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-19 19:18         ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-05-19 22:37           ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-20  1:10             ` Simon Kirby
2003-05-20  1:14               ` David S. Miller
2003-05-20  1:23                 ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-20  1:24                   ` David S. Miller
2003-05-20  2:13                     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-20  5:01                       ` Pekka Savola
2003-05-20 11:47                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-20 11:55                           ` Pekka Savola
2003-05-20  6:46                       ` David S. Miller
2003-05-20 12:04                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-21  0:36                           ` David S. Miller
2003-05-21 13:03                             ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-23  5:42                               ` David S. Miller
2003-05-22  8:40                             ` Simon Kirby
2003-05-22  8:58                               ` David S. Miller
2003-05-22 10:40                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-22 11:15                                   ` Martin Josefsson
2003-05-23  1:00                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-23  1:01                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-23  8:21                                       ` Andi Kleen
2003-05-23  8:22                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-05-23  9:03                                           ` Andi Kleen
2003-05-23  9:59                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-05-24  0:41                                     ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-26  2:29                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-05-22 11:44                                   ` Simon Kirby
2003-05-22 13:03                                     ` Martin Josefsson
2003-05-23  0:55                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-05-22 22:33                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-29 20:51                                       ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-02 10:58                                         ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-02 15:18                                           ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-02 16:36                                             ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-02 18:05                                               ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09 17:21                                               ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 17:19                                           ` David S. Miller
2003-05-23  0:59                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-26  7:18                   ` Florian Weimer
2003-05-26  7:29                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-26  9:34                       ` Florian Weimer
2003-05-27  6:32                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-08 11:39                           ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-08 12:05                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-08 13:10                               ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-08 23:49                                 ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-08 23:55                                   ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09  3:15                                     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-09  5:27                                       ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09  5:58                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  6:28                                           ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09  6:28                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 16:23                                               ` Stephen Hemminger
2003-06-09 16:37                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  7:13                                             ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  8:10                                               ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09  8:27                                                 ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09 19:38                                                   ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09 21:30                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 22:19                                                     ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09 22:54                                                       ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-13  6:21                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-13 10:40                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-15  6:36                                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-17 17:03                                                             ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-09 22:56                                                       ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09 23:05                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 13:41                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-10  0:03                                                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10  0:32                                                           ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10  1:15                                                             ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10  2:45                                                               ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10  3:23                                                                 ` Ben Greear
2003-06-10  3:41                                                                   ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 18:10                                                                   ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 18:21                                                                     ` Ben Greear
2003-06-10  4:34                                                                 ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-10 11:01                                                                   ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 11:28                                                                   ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 13:18                                                                     ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 16:10                                                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 10:53                                                                 ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 11:41                                                                   ` chas williams
2003-06-10 16:27                                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 16:57                                                                       ` chas williams
2003-06-10 11:41                                                                   ` Pekka Savola
2003-06-10 11:58                                                                     ` John S. Denker
2003-06-10 12:12                                                                       ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 16:33                                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 12:07                                                                     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 15:29                                                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-11 19:48                                                                         ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-11 19:40                                                                           ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-11 21:09                                                                           ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-10 13:10                                                                   ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 13:36                                                                     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 14:03                                                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 16:38                                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 16:39                                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 18:41                                                                   ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2003-06-11 11:47                                                                     ` Was (Re: " Jamal Hadi
2003-06-11 18:41                                                                       ` Real World Routers 8-) Florian Weimer
2003-06-10 15:53                                                               ` Route cache performance under stress David S. Miller
2003-06-10 16:15                                                                 ` 3c59x (was Route cache performance under stress) Bogdan Costescu
2003-06-10 16:20                                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-10 16:23                                                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-06-10 17:02                                                                       ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:16                                                                         ` 3c59x Jeff Garzik
2003-06-10 17:14                                                                           ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:25                                                                             ` 3c59x Jeff Garzik
2003-06-10 17:30                                                                               ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 19:20                                                                                 ` 3c59x Jeff Garzik
2003-06-10 19:21                                                                                   ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:18                                                                           ` 3c59x Andi Kleen
2003-06-10 17:29                                                                           ` 3c59x chas williams
2003-06-10 17:31                                                                             ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:39                                                                               ` 3c59x chas williams
2003-06-10 17:43                                                                                 ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-11 17:52                                                               ` Route cache performance under stress Robert Olsson
2003-06-10  1:53                                                             ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-10  3:18                                                               ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 16:06                                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 15:56                                                               ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 16:45                                                                 ` 3c59x (was Route cache performance under stress) Bogdan Costescu
2003-06-10 16:49                                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-11  9:54                                                                     ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-11 10:05                                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-11 10:38                                                                         ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-11 12:08                                                                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 17:12                                                                   ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:19                                                                 ` Route cache performance under stress Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 15:49                                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:33                                                               ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 17:32                                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 18:34                                                                   ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-10 18:57                                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 19:53                                                                       ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-10 21:36                                                                       ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-10 21:39                                                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 22:20                                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 23:58                                                                           ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 23:57                                                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  0:41                                                                               ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-11  0:58                                                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  0:58                                                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  0:51                                                                             ` Ben Greear
2003-06-11  1:01                                                                               ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  1:15                                                                                 ` Ben Greear
2003-06-11  1:22                                                                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  1:51                                                                                     ` Ben Greear
2003-06-11  3:33                                                                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11 11:54                                                                                         ` gettime: Was (Re: " Jamal Hadi
2003-06-11 12:08                                                                                           ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-12  3:30                                                                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-12  6:32                                                                                               ` Ben Greear
2003-06-12  8:46                                                                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11 15:57                                                                                           ` Ben Greear
2003-06-12  3:29                                                                                           ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  1:17                                                                                 ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-11  1:23                                                                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  7:28                                                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-11  7:25                                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-11 17:40                                                                       ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-13  5:38                                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-13 10:22                                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-13 17:15                                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-12  6:45                                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-12 13:56                                                                       ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-12 21:35                                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-13 10:50                                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-10  0:56                                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-09 11:38                                                 ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-09 11:55                                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 12:18                                                     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-09 12:32                                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 13:22                                                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-09 13:22                                                           ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  8:56                                               ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 22:39                                                 ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-09  6:25                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  6:59                                         ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  7:03                                           ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 13:04                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-09 13:26                                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-09  5:44                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  5:51                                       ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09  6:03                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  6:52                                           ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  6:56                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  7:36                                               ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  8:18                                               ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  8:22                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  8:31                                                   ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  9:01                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  9:47                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-09 10:03                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 10:13                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-09 10:13                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 10:40                                                           ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-06-09 10:40                                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 14:14                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  6:47                                     ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  6:49                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 13:28                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-09 16:30                                         ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-17 20:58                                           ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-09  5:38                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10  3:05                                 ` Steven Blake
2003-06-12  6:31                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-08 17:58                             ` Pekka Savola
2003-05-21  0:09                 ` Simon Kirby
2003-05-21  0:13                   ` David S. Miller
2003-05-26  9:29                     ` Florian Weimer
     [not found] <8765pshpd4.fsf@deneb.enyo.de>
2003-04-05 18:17 ` Martin Josefsson

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