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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, peterz@infradead.org
Cc: jstultz@google.com, edumazet@google.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] softirq: don't yield if only expedited handlers are pending
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2023 15:17:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mt4tkjgy.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221222221244.1290833-4-kuba@kernel.org>

Jakub!

On Thu, Dec 22 2022 at 14:12, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> This leads to a situation where we go thru the softirq loop twice.
> First round we have pending = NET (from the NIC IRQ/NAPI), and
> the second iteration has pending = TASKLET (the socket tasklet).

...

> diff --git a/kernel/softirq.c b/kernel/softirq.c
> index ad200d386ec1..4ac59ffb0d55 100644
> --- a/kernel/softirq.c
> +++ b/kernel/softirq.c
> @@ -601,7 +601,7 @@ asmlinkage __visible void __softirq_entry __do_softirq(void)
>  
>  		if (time_is_before_eq_jiffies(end) || !--max_restart)
>  			limit = SOFTIRQ_OVERLOAD_TIME;
> -		else if (need_resched())
> +		else if (need_resched() && pending & ~SOFTIRQ_NOW_MASK)
>  			limit = SOFTIRQ_DEFER_TIME;
>  		else
>  			goto restart;

While this is the least of my softirq worries on PREEMPT_RT, Peter is
right about real-time tasks being deferred on a PREEMPT_RT=n
kernel. That's a real issue for low-latency audio which John Stultz is
trying to resolve. Especially as the above check can go in circles.

I fear we need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a real
solution which takes these contradicting aspects into account. Let me
stare at Peters and Johns patches for a while.

Thanks

        tglx



  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-03-03 14:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-22 22:12 [PATCH 0/3] softirq: uncontroversial change Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-22 22:12 ` [PATCH 1/3] softirq: rename ksoftirqd_running() -> ksoftirqd_should_handle() Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-22 22:12 ` [PATCH 2/3] softirq: avoid spurious stalls due to need_resched() Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-31 22:32   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-03-03 13:30   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-03-03 15:18     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-03-03 21:31     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-03-03 22:37       ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-03-03 23:25         ` Dave Taht
2023-03-04  1:14           ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-03-03 23:36         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-03-03 23:44           ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-03-04  1:25             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-03-04  1:39               ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-03-04  3:11                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-03-04 20:48                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-03-05 20:43       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-03-05 22:42         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-03-05 23:00           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2023-03-06  4:30             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-03-06 11:22               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2023-03-06  9:13         ` David Laight
2023-03-06 11:57         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2023-03-06 14:57           ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-03-07  0:51         ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-12-22 22:12 ` [PATCH 3/3] softirq: don't yield if only expedited handlers are pending Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-09  9:44   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-01-09 10:16     ` Eric Dumazet
2023-01-09 19:12       ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-03-03 11:41     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-03-03 14:17   ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2023-04-20 17:24 ` [PATCH 0/3] softirq: uncontroversial change Paolo Abeni
2023-04-20 17:41   ` Eric Dumazet
2023-04-20 20:23     ` Paolo Abeni
2023-04-21  2:48   ` Jason Xing
2023-04-21  9:33     ` Paolo Abeni
2023-04-21  9:46       ` Jason Xing
2023-05-09 19:56   ` [tip: irq/core] Revert "softirq: Let ksoftirqd do its job" tip-bot2 for Paolo Abeni

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