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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Jan Grashöfer" <jan.grashoefer@gmail.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, aeppert@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Receiving raw packets (incl. VLAN tags) on raw sockets
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 11:54:25 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o9tq7bni.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8e65d057-a39c-6b83-b650-922ba9e86051@gmail.com> ("Jan \=\?utf-8\?Q\?Grash\=C3\=B6fer\=22's\?\= message of "Wed, 14 Jun 2017 18:03:27 +0200")

Jan Grashöfer <jan.grashoefer@gmail.com> writes:

> On 14/06/17 16:41, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> That does not work.  That is is just the software fallback for when
>> the device driver does not have a special case the processing
>> vlan tagged packets.
>>
>> There was a major inconsistency that for a long time the hardware
>> network drivers were stripping tags and the software ones were not.
>>
>> The code you are playing with is the fix for the rare slow path
>> that does not happen to strip the tags.  Disabling the rare slow path
>> might temporarily solve your symptoms but it will be much more painful
>> when you are entrenched in your ways and discover that high performance
>> hardware behaves differently than your software device.
>
> Thanks for your reply! Actually, I was referring to COTS hardware that
> incorporates offloading features. But, when it comes to (security)
> monitoring, offloading is usually disabled [1,2] to process the
> packets as seen on the wire. Thus the "slow path" would be the default
> path for most monitoring applications. That is, what makes this
> situation kind of weird. After turning off the NIC's VLAN offloading,
> it took me some time to realize that now the kernel strips off VLAN
> tags. If someone decides that VLAN offloading is not needed, I think
> the kernel should not enforce it.

In practice it is too too complicated to support both so we choose the
mode where vlan tags are always stripped.

I can imagine a tweak to pf_packet where it readds the vlan tag before
it gets to user space.  I can not image changing how we treat the vlan
tags internally to the kernel.

There were nasty kernel bugs before: 
bcc6d4790361 ("net: vlan: make non-hw-accel rx path similar to hw-accel")

I don't even want to contemplate opening that can of worms again.

Eric

      reply	other threads:[~2017-06-14 17:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-14 12:47 Receiving raw packets (incl. VLAN tags) on raw sockets Jan Grashöfer
2017-06-14 14:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-14 16:03   ` Jan Grashöfer
2017-06-14 16:54     ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]

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