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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>
To: hawk@kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Cc: edumazet@google.com, kuba@kernel.org, pabeni@redhat.com,
	davem@davemloft.net, andrew+netdev@lunn.ch, horms@kernel.org,
	jhs@mojatatu.com, jiri@resnulli.us, sdf@fomichev.me,
	j.koeppeler@tu-berlin.de, mfreemon@cloudflare.com,
	carges@cloudflare.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 6/6] net_sched: codel: fix stale state for empty flows in fq_codel
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 15:10:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pl51ns93.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260318134826.1281205-7-hawk@kernel.org>

hawk@kernel.org writes:

> From: Jonas Köppeler <j.koeppeler@tu-berlin.de>
>
> When codel_dequeue() finds an empty queue, it resets vars->dropping
> but does not reset vars->first_above_time.  The reference CoDel
> algorithm (Nichols & Jacobson, ACM Queue 2012) resets both:
>
>   dodeque_result codel_queue_t::dodeque(time_t now) {
>       ...
>       if (r.p == NULL) {
>           first_above_time = 0;   // <-- Linux omits this
>       }
>       ...
>   }
>
> Note that codel_should_drop() does reset first_above_time when called
> with a NULL skb, but codel_dequeue() returns early before ever calling
> codel_should_drop() in the empty-queue case.  The post-drop code paths
> do reach codel_should_drop(NULL) and correctly reset the timer, so a
> dropped packet breaks the cycle -- but the next delivered packet
> re-arms first_above_time and the cycle repeats.

Nice find! I think this is worth submitting as a separate fix, no?
Probably with a fixes tag:

Fixes: 76e3cc126bb2 ("codel: Controlled Delay AQM")

and possibly this one as well to aid stable backports:

Fixes: d068ca2ae2e6 ("codel: split into multiple files")


> For sparse flows such as ICMP ping (one packet every 200ms-1s), the
> first packet arms first_above_time, the flow goes empty, and the
> second packet arrives after the interval has elapsed and gets dropped.
> The pattern repeats, producing sustained loss on flows that are not
> actually congested.

Note that this only happens if the ping flow actually gets into a
dropping state before emptying out. Which rarely happens in practice,
which I'm guessing is why this was not discovered before now :)

> Test: veth pair, fq_codel, BQL disabled, 30000 iptables rules in the
> consumer namespace (NAPI-64 cycle ~14ms, well above fq_codel's 5ms
> target), ping at 5 pps under UDP flood:
>
>   Before fix:  26% ping packet loss
>   After fix:    0% ping packet loss
>
> Fix by resetting first_above_time to zero in the empty-queue path
> of codel_dequeue(), matching the reference algorithm.
>
> Fixes: 76e3cc126bb2 ("codel: Controlled Delay AQM")
> Co-developed-by: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@kernel.org>
> Signed-off-by: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@kernel.org>
> Signed-off-by: Jonas Köppeler <j.koeppeler@tu-berlin.de>
> Reported-by: Chris Arges <carges@cloudflare.com>
> Tested-by: Jonas Köppeler <j.koeppeler@tu-berlin.de>

Reviewed-by: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@redhat.com>


      reply	other threads:[~2026-03-18 14:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-18 13:48 [RFC PATCH net-next 0/6] veth: add Byte Queue Limits (BQL) support hawk
2026-03-18 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 1/6] net: add dev->bql flag to allow BQL sysfs for IFF_NO_QUEUE devices hawk
2026-03-18 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 2/6] veth: implement Byte Queue Limits (BQL) for latency reduction hawk
2026-03-18 14:28   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2026-03-18 16:24     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2026-03-19 10:04       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2026-03-20 14:50         ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2026-03-23 10:10           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2026-03-18 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 3/6] veth: add tx_timeout watchdog as BQL safety net hawk
2026-03-18 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 4/6] net: sched: add timeout count to NETDEV WATCHDOG message hawk
2026-03-18 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 5/6] selftests: net: add veth BQL stress test hawk
2026-03-18 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 6/6] net_sched: codel: fix stale state for empty flows in fq_codel hawk
2026-03-18 14:10   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]

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