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From: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
To: Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@google.com>
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	 Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	 Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	 Neal Cardwell <ncardwell@google.com>,
	 Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	 Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>,
	 Matthieu Baerts <matttbe@kernel.org>,
	 Mat Martineau <martineau@kernel.org>,
	 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	 Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	 Geliang Tang <geliang@kernel.org>,
	 Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	 Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuni1840@gmail.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org,  mptcp@lists.linux.dev,
	 cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 net-next 13/13] net-memcg: Allow decoupling memcg from global protocol memory accounting.
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 19:58:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pldhf4mf.fsf@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250721203624.3807041-14-kuniyu@google.com> (Kuniyuki Iwashima's message of "Mon, 21 Jul 2025 20:35:32 +0000")

Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@google.com> writes:

> Some protocols (e.g., TCP, UDP) implement memory accounting for socket
> buffers and charge memory to per-protocol global counters pointed to by
> sk->sk_proto->memory_allocated.
>
> When running under a non-root cgroup, this memory is also charged to the
> memcg as sock in memory.stat.
>
> Even when memory usage is controlled by memcg, sockets using such protocols
> are still subject to global limits (e.g., /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_mem).
>
> This makes it difficult to accurately estimate and configure appropriate
> global limits, especially in multi-tenant environments.
>
> If all workloads were guaranteed to be controlled under memcg, the issue
> could be worked around by setting tcp_mem[0~2] to UINT_MAX.
>
> In reality, this assumption does not always hold, and a single workload
> that opts out of memcg can consume memory up to the global limit,
> becoming a noisy neighbour.
>
> Let's decouple memcg from the global per-protocol memory accounting.
>
> This simplifies memcg configuration while keeping the global limits
> within a reasonable range.

I don't think it should be a memcg feature. In fact, it doesn't have
much to do with cgroups at all (it's not hierarchical, it doesn't
control the resource allocation, and in the end it controls an
alternative to memory cgroups memory accounting system).

Instead, it can be a per-process prctl option.

(Assuming the feature is really needed - I'm also curious why some
processes have to be excluded from the memcg accounting - it sounds like
generally a bad idea).

Thanks

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-07-31  2:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-21 20:35 [PATCH v1 net-next 00/13] net-memcg: Allow decoupling memcg from sk->sk_prot->memory_allocated Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-21 20:35 ` [PATCH v1 net-next 01/13] mptcp: Fix up subflow's memcg when CONFIG_SOCK_CGROUP_DATA=n Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-22 14:30   ` Eric Dumazet
2025-07-21 20:35 ` [PATCH v1 net-next 02/13] mptcp: Use tcp_under_memory_pressure() in mptcp_epollin_ready() Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-22 14:33   ` Eric Dumazet
2025-07-21 20:35 ` [PATCH v1 net-next 03/13] tcp: Simplify error path in inet_csk_accept() Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-22 14:34   ` Eric Dumazet
2025-07-21 20:35 ` [PATCH v1 net-next 04/13] net: Call trace_sock_exceed_buf_limit() for memcg failure with SK_MEM_RECV Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-22 14:37   ` Eric Dumazet
2025-07-21 20:35 ` [PATCH v1 net-next 05/13] net: Clean up __sk_mem_raise_allocated() Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-22 14:38   ` Eric Dumazet
2025-07-21 20:35 ` [PATCH v1 net-next 06/13] net-memcg: Introduce mem_cgroup_from_sk() Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-22 14:39   ` Eric Dumazet
2025-07-21 20:35 ` [PATCH v1 net-next 07/13] net-memcg: Introduce mem_cgroup_sk_enabled() Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-22 14:40   ` Eric Dumazet
2025-07-21 20:35 ` [PATCH v1 net-next 08/13] net-memcg: Pass struct sock to mem_cgroup_sk_(un)?charge() Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-22 14:56   ` Eric Dumazet
2025-07-21 20:35 ` [PATCH v1 net-next 09/13] net-memcg: Pass struct sock to mem_cgroup_sk_under_memory_pressure() Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-22 14:58   ` Eric Dumazet
2025-07-21 20:35 ` [PATCH v1 net-next 10/13] net: Define sk_memcg under CONFIG_MEMCG Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-22 14:58   ` Eric Dumazet
2025-07-21 20:35 ` [PATCH v1 net-next 11/13] net-memcg: Add memory.socket_isolated knob Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-22 15:00   ` Eric Dumazet
2025-07-31 13:39   ` Michal Koutný
2025-07-21 20:35 ` [PATCH v1 net-next 12/13] net-memcg: Store memcg->socket_isolated in sk->sk_memcg Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-22 15:02   ` Eric Dumazet
2025-07-21 20:35 ` [PATCH v1 net-next 13/13] net-memcg: Allow decoupling memcg from global protocol memory accounting Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-22 15:14   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-07-22 15:24     ` Eric Dumazet
2025-07-22 15:52       ` Shakeel Butt
2025-07-22 18:18         ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-22 18:47           ` Shakeel Butt
2025-07-22 19:03             ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-22 19:56               ` Shakeel Butt
2025-07-22 21:59                 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-23  0:29                   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-07-23  2:35                     ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-23 17:28                       ` Shakeel Butt
2025-07-23 18:06                         ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-25  1:49                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-07-25 18:50                             ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-28 16:07   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-07-28 21:41     ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-29 14:22       ` Johannes Weiner
2025-07-29 19:41         ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-31  2:58   ` Roman Gushchin [this message]
2025-07-31 13:38   ` Michal Koutný
2025-07-31 23:51     ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-08-01  7:00       ` Michal Koutný
2025-08-01 16:27         ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-07-22 15:04 ` [PATCH v1 net-next 00/13] net-memcg: Allow decoupling memcg from sk->sk_prot->memory_allocated Shakeel Butt
2025-07-22 15:34   ` Eric Dumazet

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