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From: Jakub Sitnicki <jakub@cloudflare.com>
To: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@kernel.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	 Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org,  "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	 Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	 Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	 Michael Chan <michael.chan@broadcom.com>,
	 Pavan Chebbi <pavan.chebbi@broadcom.com>,
	 Andrew Lunn <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
	 Tony Nguyen <anthony.l.nguyen@intel.com>,
	 Przemek Kitszel <przemyslaw.kitszel@intel.com>,
	 Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@nvidia.com>,
	 Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>,
	 Tariq Toukan <tariqt@nvidia.com>,
	 Mark Bloch <mbloch@nvidia.com>,
	 Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	 Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	 John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	 Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@fomichev.me>,
	intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org,  bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@cloudflare.com,
	 Jesse Brandeburg <jbrandeburg@cloudflare.com>,
	 Willem Ferguson <wferguson@cloudflare.com>,
	Arthur Fabre <arthur@arthurfabre.com>
Subject: Re: [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH net-next 00/10] Call skb_metadata_set when skb->data points past metadata
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2026 21:22:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wm1luusg.fsf@cloudflare.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bd29d196-5854-4a0c-a78c-e4869a59b91f@kernel.org> (Jesper Dangaard Brouer's message of "Tue, 13 Jan 2026 19:52:53 +0100")

On Tue, Jan 13, 2026 at 07:52 PM +01, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
> *BUT* this patchset isn't doing that. To me it looks like a cleanup
> patchset that simply makes it consistent when skb_metadata_set() called.
> Selling it as a pre-requirement for doing copy later seems fishy.
 
Fair point on the framing. The interface cleanup is useful on its own -
I should have presented it that way rather than tying it to future work.

> Instead of blindly copying XDP data_meta area into a single SKB
> extension.  What if we make it the responsibility of the TC-ingress BPF-
> hook to understand the data_meta format and via (kfunc) helpers
> transfer/create the SKB extension that it deems relevant.
> Would this be an acceptable approach that makes it easier to propagate
> metadata deeper in netstack?

I think you and Jakub are actually proposing the same thing.
 
If we can access a buffer tied to an skb extension from BPF, this could
act as skb-local storage and solves the problem (with some operational
overhead to set up TC on ingress).
 
I'd also like to get Alexei's take on this. We had a discussion before
about not wanting to maintain two different storage areas for skb
metadata.
 
That was one of two reasons why we abandoned Arthur's patches and why I
tried to make the existing headroom-backed metadata area work.
 
But perhaps I misunderstood the earlier discussion. Alexei's point may
have been that we don't want another *headroom-backed* metadata area
accessible from XDP, because we already have that.
 
Looks like we have two options on the table:
 
Option A) Headroom-backed metadata
  - Use existing skb metadata area
  - Patch skb_push/pull call sites to preserve it
 
Option B) Extension-backed metadata
  - Store metadata in skb extension from BPF
  - TC BPF copies/extracts what it needs from headroom-metadata
 
Or is there an Option C I'm missing?

Thanks,
-jkbs

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-13 20:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-10 21:05 [PATCH net-next 00/10] Call skb_metadata_set when skb->data points past metadata Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-10 21:05 ` [PATCH net-next 01/10] net: Document skb_metadata_set contract with the drivers Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-12 11:28   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-01-10 21:05 ` [PATCH net-next 02/10] bnxt_en: Call skb_metadata_set when skb->data points past metadata Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-12 11:29   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-01-10 21:05 ` [PATCH net-next 03/10] i40e: " Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-12 11:30   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-01-10 21:05 ` [PATCH net-next 04/10] igb: " Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-12 11:31   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-01-10 21:05 ` [PATCH net-next 05/10] igc: " Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-12 11:31   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-01-10 21:05 ` [PATCH net-next 06/10] ixgbe: " Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-12 11:32   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-01-10 21:05 ` [PATCH net-next 07/10] mlx5e: " Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-12 11:32   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-01-13  6:08   ` Tariq Toukan
2026-01-13 12:52     ` Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-10 21:05 ` [PATCH net-next 08/10] veth: " Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-12 11:33   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-01-10 21:05 ` [PATCH net-next 09/10] xsk: " Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-12 11:33   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-01-10 21:05 ` [PATCH net-next 10/10] xdp: " Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-12 11:33   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Loktionov, Aleksandr
2026-01-13  3:08 ` [PATCH net-next 00/10] " Jakub Kicinski
2026-01-13 12:09   ` Paolo Abeni
2026-01-13 12:40     ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-13 18:52     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2026-01-13 20:22       ` Jakub Sitnicki [this message]
2026-01-14 11:49         ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2026-01-14 12:33           ` Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-13 12:33   ` Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-22 20:21     ` Martin KaFai Lau
2026-01-25 19:15       ` Jakub Sitnicki
2026-01-27 19:33         ` Martin KaFai Lau

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