From: Gaoyang Wei <yhyxwgy@gmail.com>
To: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, pbs05 <xuziyougm@gmail.com>,
Matheus Sampaio Queiroga <srherobrine20@gmail.com>,
Benjamin Larsson <benjamin.larsson@genexis.eu>,
Lorenzo Bianconi <lorenzo@kernel.org>,
Andrew Lunn <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [RFC] net: towards a generic PON framework
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2026 01:22:13 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <92d9c8a9-ef43-45ce-a599-2c00d0a2fa61@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b0d1908c-a6f6-4c28-bb4f-b00644acacfc@lunn.ch>
Hi Andrew,
Thanks, the hostapd/wpa_supplicant analogy is useful.
> But having a dedicated net_device seems wrong to me. However what
> you mentioned made me think of hostapd and wpa_supplicant. Can that
> sort of model be used? It does not require an additional interface
> by the side of the wifi interface.
Yes, I think that is worth considering.
One reason I initially found a packet net_device attractive was that
OMCI itself is a packet-oriented protocol, and an ARPHRD_NONE device
would give userspace a natural AF_PACKET interface without pretending
that OMCI is Ethernet.
But I agree that this does not necessarily mean it has to be modeled
as a separate network interface.
A model closer to nl80211 could instead keep the Ethernet service
datapath as the normal net_device and expose OMCI transport through
the xPON control interface, for example using Generic Netlink messages
associated with a PON device:
userspace OMCI daemon
|
Generic Netlink
|
net/xpon
|
PON MAC
with no separate omci0 device.
There is one property of the packet-interface model which I think is
important to preserve somehow, though: observability.
With a packet interface, raw OMCI traffic has a natural capture point.
It can be captured with the normal packet tooling and inspected with
Wireshark. There are already OMCI dissectors available, for example:
https://github.com/0liv1er/omci-wireshark-dissector
This is particularly useful for PON interoperability work.
Although G.988 defines the standard OMCI model, deployed PON networks
are not as uniform at the management-model level as the 802.11 analogy
might suggest. Operators and vendors commonly add private MEs,
profiles, or behavioral quirks.
One concrete example is China Telecom's GPON profile. It defines a
private "LOID authentication" ME, class 65530 (0xfffa), carrying the
operator ID, LOID, password, and authentication status. Its behavior
also differs from an ordinary MIB object; for example it is excluded
from MIB Upload.
Cases like this make packet-level inspection very useful when an ONU
works with one OLT but fails with another. Being able to capture the
actual OMCI exchange and feed it directly into protocol-analysis tools
can make the difference between finding an interoperability problem
quickly and debugging it indirectly through daemon logs.
So I think this also reinforces the distinction between two separate
questions:
1. whether the G.988 agent should live in kernel or userspace;
2. how raw OMCI PDUs should cross the kernel/userspace boundary.
Generic Netlink may well be the cleaner control abstraction, but I
would like to understand what the Linux-native equivalent of that
packet observation/debugging point should be if we do not use a
management net_device.
Do you have a particular part of the hostapd/nl80211 model in mind
for the management PDU transport itself, for example something
analogous to management frame registration/TX/RX?
And if Generic Netlink is the preferred transport, is there an
existing mechanism you would recommend for exposing the raw management
PDU stream to packet-capture/debugging tools without creating a
separate net_device?
Thanks,
Gaoyang
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-27 17:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-26 17:46 [RFC] net: towards a generic PON framework Gaoyang Wei
2026-09-26 19:28 ` Matheus Sampaio Queiroga
2026-09-26 20:21 ` Gaoyang Wei
2026-09-26 21:55 ` Matheus Sampaio Queiroga
2026-09-26 22:15 ` Gaoyang Wei
2026-09-27 0:05 ` Matheus Sampaio Queiroga
2026-09-27 4:38 ` Gaoyang Wei
2026-09-27 17:47 ` Matheus Sampaio Queiroga
2026-09-27 18:27 ` Gaoyang Wei
2026-09-27 16:57 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-09-27 17:22 ` Gaoyang Wei [this message]
2026-09-27 19:24 ` Ziyou Xu
2026-09-27 19:47 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-09-27 20:29 ` Ziyou Xu
2026-09-27 22:30 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-09-27 22:49 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-09-27 23:11 ` Gaoyang Wei
2026-09-28 1:25 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-09-28 8:37 ` John Crispin
2026-09-28 10:54 ` Benjamin Larsson
2026-09-28 14:10 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-10-01 12:25 ` Benjamin Larsson
2026-09-28 11:23 ` Gaoyang Wei
2026-09-28 14:05 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-09-27 20:47 ` Benjamin Larsson
2026-09-27 20:58 ` Gaoyang Wei
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