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From: Jerry Chu <hkchu@google.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: eric.dumazet@gmail.com, hannemann@nets.rwth-aachen.de,
	hagen@jauu.net, lars.eggert@nokia.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] TCP_USER_TIMEOUT: a new socket option to specify max timeout before a TCP connection is aborted
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 23:54:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTinrPcJwMs+frY7J_QKuNv1MDGRQAgPgwofuFydw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100829.211954.232753860.davem@davemloft.net>

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 9:19 PM, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote:
> From: Jerry Chu <hkchu@google.com>
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 17:23:05 -0700
>
>> Personally I think as an API, it's easier for an application to
>> grasp the concept of a time quantity than # of
>> retransmissions. (E.g., how will an app determine it needs 10
>> retries vs 20 retries?)
>
> Conversely how can the user grasp how many actual attempts will
> be made if backoff is employed?
>
> It's very easy to under-cap the number of actual packet send
> attempts that will be made specifying just a timeout, in the
> presence of backoff.

My previous statement presumes applications care less about exactly
how many times retransmission attempts have been made because
that's more of "implementation detail" for a reliable transport. But I can
see one can argue either way effectively so I'm ok with both. If people
prefer timeout in # of retries then it just needs to be converted to time
units when used in conjunction with the USER TIMEOUT option (and
one can readily use the existing "retransmits_timed_out()" function,
although the latter presents only an approximation).

Jerry

>

  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-30  6:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-28  5:13 [PATCH] TCP_USER_TIMEOUT: a new socket option to specify max timeout before a TCP connection is aborted H.K. Jerry Chu
2010-08-28 23:13 ` David Miller
2010-08-30  0:23   ` Jerry Chu
2010-08-30  4:19     ` David Miller
2010-08-30  6:54       ` Jerry Chu [this message]
2010-08-30 20:25         ` David Miller
2010-08-30 20:30           ` Eric Dumazet
2010-08-30 20:47             ` David Miller
2010-08-30 22:41             ` Jerry Chu

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