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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: Ben Hutchings <bhutchings@solarflare.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: >Re: [RFC] should VM_BUG_ON(cond) really evaluate cond
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 04:37:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFzHf563auNYdNeJnsbbry1OUfkepkiVHt7Fy-bG64Fruw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1319777025.23112.67.camel@edumazet-laptop>

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The only requirement of atomic_read() is that it must return value
> before or after an atomic_write(), not a garbled value.

The problem is that gcc *can* return a garbled value.

> In fact, if a compiler is stupid enough to issue two reads on following
> code :

The compiler really *can* be that "stupid". Except the code tends to
look like this:

   int value = atomic_read(&atomic_var);
   if (value > 10)
     return;
   .. do something with value ..

and gcc may decide - under register pressure, and in the absense of a
'volatile' - to read 'value' first once for that "> 10" check, and
then it drops the registers and instead of saving it on the stack
frame, it can decide to re-load it from atomic_var.

IOW, "value" could be two or more different values: one value when
testing, and *another* value in "do something with value".

This is why we have "ACCESS_ONCE()".

Whether atomics guarantee ACCESS_ONCE() semantics or not is not
entirely clear. But afaik, there is no way to tell gcc "access at
*most* once, and never ever reload".

                             Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2011-10-28 11:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-28  1:19 [RFC] should VM_BUG_ON(cond) really evaluate cond Eric Dumazet
2011-10-28  1:25 ` Andi Kleen
2011-10-28  1:34   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-28  1:44     ` Ben Hutchings
2011-10-28  2:52       ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-28  3:29         ` Ben Hutchings
2011-10-28  4:43           ` >Re: " Eric Dumazet
2011-10-28 11:37             ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2011-10-28 12:09               ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-28 12:19                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-28 12:40                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-28 14:47                     ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-28 14:55                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-29 15:43                         ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-29 17:34                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-30  8:52                           ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-30  9:59                             ` Andi Kleen
2011-10-30 15:16                               ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-30 17:07                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-30 17:41                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-30 17:48                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-30 17:59                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-30 18:09                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-02  0:14                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-01  4:06                           ` Stephen Rothwell

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