From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/18] x86, barrier: stop speculation for failed access_ok
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 11:47:07 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFzqb-p_Ng2nsXvFsibtNC2rH5fwrefwnwA3TTFVtzM3FA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180107063356.GA9425@1wt.eu>
On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 10:33 PM, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> wrote:
>
> To be fair there's overreaction on both sides. The vast majority of
> users need to get a 100% safe system and will never notice any
> difference.
There is no such thing as a "100% safe system". Never will be - unless
you make sure you have no users.
Also, people definitely *are* noticing the performance issues with the
current set of patches, and they are causing real problems. Go search
for reports of Amazon AWS slowdowns.
So this whole "security is so important that performance doesn't
matter" mindset is pure and utter garbage.
And the whole "normal people won't even notice" is pure garbage too.
Don't spread that bullshit when you see actual normal people
complaining.
Performance matters. A *LOT*.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-01-07 19:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-01-06 1:09 [PATCH 00/18] prevent bounds-check bypass via speculative execution Dan Williams
2018-01-06 1:09 ` [PATCH 01/18] asm-generic/barrier: add generic nospec helpers Dan Williams
2018-01-06 2:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-06 5:23 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 17:08 ` Mark Rutland
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 02/18] Documentation: document " Dan Williams
2018-01-08 16:29 ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-01-08 17:09 ` Mark Rutland
2018-01-08 21:19 ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 03/18] arm64: implement nospec_ptr() Dan Williams
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 04/18] arm: " Dan Williams
2018-01-10 2:04 ` Laura Abbott
2018-01-10 7:40 ` Hanjun Guo
2018-01-10 17:24 ` Laura Abbott
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 05/18] x86: implement nospec_barrier() Dan Williams
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 06/18] x86, barrier: stop speculation for failed access_ok Dan Williams
2018-01-06 2:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-06 3:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-06 23:31 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-07 1:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-08 21:09 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-08 23:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-08 23:53 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 5:47 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 12:32 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 17:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-06 18:13 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 18:29 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 18:39 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 18:54 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 19:25 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 19:36 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 19:41 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08 10:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-06 18:38 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 18:51 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 19:55 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 20:09 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 20:22 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 21:17 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 21:21 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-06 23:05 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-07 3:38 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-07 6:33 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-07 19:47 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2018-01-07 20:12 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-07 20:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-07 20:56 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08 2:23 ` David Miller
2018-01-08 7:38 ` Greg KH
2018-01-07 22:15 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-07 20:15 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-08 2:24 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-08 9:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-08 18:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-08 12:00 ` David Laight
2018-01-08 12:12 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-08 12:33 ` David Laight
2018-01-07 10:08 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08 2:09 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-07 13:59 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-08 2:57 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-08 9:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-06 20:42 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-07 1:36 ` David Miller
2018-01-07 17:19 ` James Bottomley
2018-01-07 18:31 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08 2:04 ` David Miller
2018-01-07 19:24 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-09 21:41 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-09 21:47 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09 21:49 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-09 21:59 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09 22:23 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-09 22:35 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 07/18] [media] uvcvideo: prevent bounds-check bypass via speculative execution Dan Williams
2018-01-06 9:09 ` Greg KH
2018-01-06 9:40 ` Greg KH
2018-01-06 17:41 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-07 9:09 ` Greg KH
2018-01-07 19:37 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09 8:40 ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-01-09 10:04 ` Greg KH
2018-01-09 14:26 ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-01-09 14:47 ` Greg KH
2018-01-08 11:23 ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-01-09 2:11 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 08/18] carl9170: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:01 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06 14:23 ` Christian Lamparter
2018-01-06 15:06 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 16:38 ` Christian Lamparter
2018-01-06 16:34 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 09/18] p54: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:01 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 10/18] qla2xxx: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 9:03 ` Greg KH
2018-01-06 9:42 ` Greg KH
2018-01-11 22:15 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-12 7:27 ` Greg KH
2018-01-12 15:25 ` James Bottomley
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 11/18] cw1200: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 12/18] Thermal/int340x: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 1:53 ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-01-06 1:57 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 17:24 ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-01-06 10:03 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06 1:11 ` [PATCH 13/18] ipv6: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:04 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06 14:48 ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-01-06 18:05 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 1:11 ` [PATCH 14/18] ipv4: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 9:00 ` Greg KH
2018-01-06 9:01 ` Greg KH
2018-01-06 12:23 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 15:14 ` Greg KH
2018-01-06 16:29 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 18:10 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:04 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06 1:11 ` [PATCH 15/18] vfs, fdtable: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:05 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06 1:11 ` [PATCH 16/18] net: mpls: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:06 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-09 3:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-09 3:42 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09 4:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-09 4:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-10 0:48 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-10 1:33 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-10 1:57 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-10 2:22 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-10 3:07 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-10 3:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-09 16:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-09 18:01 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-10 0:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-10 1:31 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 1:11 ` [PATCH 17/18] udf: " Dan Williams
2018-01-08 10:20 ` Jan Kara
2018-01-06 1:11 ` [PATCH 18/18] userns: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 2:22 ` [PATCH 00/18] " Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87y3lbpvzp.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-01-06 6:30 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-08 10:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-08 11:43 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-08 11:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-08 18:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-08 16:20 ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-06 18:56 ` Florian Fainelli
2018-01-06 18:59 ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-06 19:37 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 20:07 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09 19:34 ` Jiri Kosina
2018-01-09 19:44 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09 20:55 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-11 9:54 ` Jiri Kosina
2018-01-11 15:58 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-11 16:34 ` Daniel Borkmann
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-01-09 0:12 [PATCH 06/18] x86, barrier: stop speculation for failed access_ok Linus Torvalds
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