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From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
To: Akihiko Odaki <akihiko.odaki@daynix.com>
Cc: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>,
	 "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	 Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	 "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>,
	 Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 netdev@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	 virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	 Yuri Benditovich <yuri.benditovich@daynix.com>,
	Andrew Melnychenko <andrew@daynix.com>,
	 Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	gur.stavi@huawei.com,  Lei Yang <leiyang@redhat.com>,
	Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v9 3/6] tun: Introduce virtio-net hash feature
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2025 09:15:58 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACGkMEtRhJnnPJDASb8WwW=dO1HzL9aRo4YT9csWSxXCTsu_Tg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <39c059c9-fe67-46e4-8c81-854a3de8d726@daynix.com>

On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 1:55 PM Akihiko Odaki <akihiko.odaki@daynix.com> wrote:
>
> On 2025/03/12 11:59, Jason Wang wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 11, 2025 at 2:17 PM Akihiko Odaki <akihiko.odaki@daynix.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2025/03/11 9:38, Jason Wang wrote:
> >>> On Mon, Mar 10, 2025 at 3:45 PM Akihiko Odaki <akihiko.odaki@daynix.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2025/03/10 12:55, Jason Wang wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2025 at 7:01 PM Akihiko Odaki <akihiko.odaki@daynix.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hash reporting
> >>>>>> ==============
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Allow the guest to reuse the hash value to make receive steering
> >>>>>> consistent between the host and guest, and to save hash computation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> RSS
> >>>>>> ===
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> RSS is a receive steering algorithm that can be negotiated to use with
> >>>>>> virtio_net. Conventionally the hash calculation was done by the VMM.
> >>>>>> However, computing the hash after the queue was chosen defeats the
> >>>>>> purpose of RSS.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Another approach is to use eBPF steering program. This approach has
> >>>>>> another downside: it cannot report the calculated hash due to the
> >>>>>> restrictive nature of eBPF steering program.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Introduce the code to perform RSS to the kernel in order to overcome
> >>>>>> thse challenges. An alternative solution is to extend the eBPF steering
> >>>>>> program so that it will be able to report to the userspace, but I didn't
> >>>>>> opt for it because extending the current mechanism of eBPF steering
> >>>>>> program as is because it relies on legacy context rewriting, and
> >>>>>> introducing kfunc-based eBPF will result in non-UAPI dependency while
> >>>>>> the other relevant virtualization APIs such as KVM and vhost_net are
> >>>>>> UAPIs.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Signed-off-by: Akihiko Odaki <akihiko.odaki@daynix.com>
> >>>>>> Tested-by: Lei Yang <leiyang@redhat.com>
> >>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>     Documentation/networking/tuntap.rst |   7 ++
> >>>>>>     drivers/net/Kconfig                 |   1 +
> >>>>>>     drivers/net/tap.c                   |  68 ++++++++++++++-
> >>>>>>     drivers/net/tun.c                   |  98 +++++++++++++++++-----
> >>>>>>     drivers/net/tun_vnet.h              | 159 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
> >>>>>>     include/linux/if_tap.h              |   2 +
> >>>>>>     include/linux/skbuff.h              |   3 +
> >>>>>>     include/uapi/linux/if_tun.h         |  75 +++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>>     net/core/skbuff.c                   |   4 +
> >>>>>>     9 files changed, 386 insertions(+), 31 deletions(-)
> >>>>>>
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >>>>> Let's has a consistent name for this and the uapi to be consistent
> >>>>> with TUNSETIFF/TUNGETIFF. Probably TUNSETVNETHASH and
> >>>>> tun_vnet_ioctl_gethash().
> >>>>
> >>>> They have different semantics so they should have different names.
> >>>> TUNGETIFF reports the value currently set while TUNGETVNETHASHCAP
> >>>> reports the value that can be set later.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not sure I will get here. I meant a symmetric name
> >>>
> >>> TUNSETVNETHASH and TUNVETVNETHASH.
> >>
> >> TUNGETVNETHASHCAP does not correspond to TUNGETIFF. The correspondence
> >> of ioctl names is as follows:
> >> TUNGETFEATURES - TUNGETVNETHASHCAP
> >
> > TUNGETFEATURES returns the value set from TUNSETIFF. This differs from
> > TUNGETVNETHASHCAP semantic which just return the capabilities.
> >
> > +static inline long tun_vnet_ioctl_gethashcap(void __user *argp)
> > +{
> > +       static const struct tun_vnet_hash cap = {
> > +               .flags = TUN_VNET_HASH_REPORT | TUN_VNET_HASH_RSS,
> > +               .types = VIRTIO_NET_SUPPORTED_HASH_TYPES
> > +       };
> > +
> > +       return copy_to_user(argp, &cap, sizeof(cap)) ? -EFAULT : 0;
> > +}
> >
> > TUNGETFEATURES doesn't' help too much for non-persist TAP as userspace
> > knows what value it set before.
> >
> >> TUNSETIFF - TUNSETVNETHASH
> >> TUNGETIFF - no corresponding ioctl for the virtio-net hash features
> >
> > And this sounds odd and a hint for a incomplete uAPI as userspace
> > needs to know knowing what can set before doing TUNSETVNETHASH.
>
> You are confused with TUNGETFEATURES and TUNGETIFF. Below is the code
> that implements TUNGETFEATURES:
> if (cmd == TUNGETFEATURES) {
>         /* Currently this just means: "what IFF flags are valid?".
>          * This is needed because we never checked for invalid flags on
>          * TUNSETIFF.
>          */
>         return put_user(IFF_TUN | IFF_TAP | IFF_NO_CARRIER |
>                         TUN_FEATURES, (unsigned int __user*)argp);
> } else if (cmd == TUNSETQUEUE) {

Right.

Thanks

>
> Regards,
> Akihiko Odaki
>
> >
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Akihiko Odaki
> >>
> >
> > Thanks
> >
>


  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-17  1:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-07 11:01 [PATCH net-next v9 0/6] tun: Introduce virtio-net hashing feature Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-07 11:01 ` [PATCH net-next v9 1/6] virtio_net: Add functions for hashing Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-10  3:55   ` Jason Wang
2025-03-10  6:53     ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-11  0:47       ` Jason Wang
2025-03-11  5:49         ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-17  1:24           ` Jason Wang
2025-03-17  6:08             ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-07 11:01 ` [PATCH net-next v9 2/6] net: flow_dissector: Export flow_keys_dissector_symmetric Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-07 11:01 ` [PATCH net-next v9 3/6] tun: Introduce virtio-net hash feature Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-08 19:32   ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-03-10  7:11     ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-10  3:55   ` Jason Wang
2025-03-10  4:01     ` Jason Wang
2025-03-10  8:16       ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-10  7:45     ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-11  0:38       ` Jason Wang
2025-03-11  6:11         ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-12  2:35           ` Jason Wang
2025-03-12  5:03             ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-17  1:12               ` Jason Wang
2025-03-17  7:06                 ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-18  0:15                   ` Jason Wang
2025-03-18 10:10                     ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-19  0:58                       ` Jason Wang
2025-03-19  5:28                         ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-20  1:31                           ` Jason Wang
2025-03-20  5:33                             ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-21  1:13                               ` Jason Wang
2025-03-21  5:56                                 ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-24  4:40                                   ` Jason Wang
2025-03-29  9:15                                     ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-11  6:17         ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-12  2:59           ` Jason Wang
2025-03-12  5:55             ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-17  1:15               ` Jason Wang [this message]
2025-03-10  7:58     ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-11  0:40       ` Jason Wang
2025-03-10  8:13     ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-07 11:01 ` [PATCH net-next v9 4/6] selftest: tun: Test vnet ioctls without device Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-07 11:01 ` [PATCH net-next v9 5/6] selftest: tun: Add tests for virtio-net hashing Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-08 19:39   ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-03-10  4:03   ` Jason Wang
2025-03-11  6:19     ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-07 11:01 ` [PATCH net-next v9 6/6] vhost/net: Support VIRTIO_NET_F_HASH_REPORT Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-10  4:43   ` Jason Wang
2025-03-10  7:04     ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-11  0:42       ` Jason Wang
2025-03-11  6:24         ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-12  3:36           ` Jason Wang
2025-03-12  5:59             ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-17  1:15               ` Jason Wang
2025-03-19  4:43                 ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-13  1:15 ` [PATCH net-next v9 0/6] tun: Introduce virtio-net hashing feature Lei Yang

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