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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Tycho Andersen <tycho.andersen@canonical.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Will Drewry <wad@chromium.org>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@parallels.com>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@parallels.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/6] ebpf: add a way to dump an eBPF program
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 17:08:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrXZTEsBR0hGsLAk5MQFSnpAP8FvzPXuhrFJNGUt6J-ZjA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXu5jKEbKSR+s0k7FsQ3NgQ7-meQcWaBbZWCNDnx1RnnrAK-w@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Tycho Andersen
> <tycho.andersen@canonical.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 02:48:03PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Tycho Andersen
>>> <tycho.andersen@canonical.com> wrote:
>>> > On Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 01:17:30PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
>>> >> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Tycho Andersen
>>> >> <tycho.andersen@canonical.com> wrote:
>>> >> > This commit adds a way to dump eBPF programs. The initial implementation
>>> >> > doesn't support maps, and therefore only allows dumping seccomp ebpf
>>> >> > programs which themselves don't currently support maps.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > We export the GPL bit as well as a unique ID for the program so that
>>> >>
>>> >> This unique ID appears to be the heap address for the prog. That's a
>>> >> huge leak, and should not be done. We don't want to introduce new
>>> >> kernel address leaks while we're trying to fix the remaining ones.
>>> >> Shouldn't the "unique ID" be the fd itself? I imagine KCMP_FILE
>>> >> could be used, for example.
>>> >
>>> > No; we acquire the fd per process, so if a task installs a filter and
>>> > then forks N times, we'll grab N (+1) copies of the filter from N (+1)
>>> > different file descriptors. Ideally, we'd have some way to figure out
>>> > that these were all the same. Some sort of prog_id is one way,
>>> > although there may be others.
>>>
>>> I disagree a bit.  I think we want the actual hierarchy to be a
>>> well-defined thing, because I have plans to make the hierarchy
>>> actually do something.  That means that we'll need to have a more
>>> exact way to dump the hierarchy than "these two filters are identical"
>>> or "these two filters are not identical".
>>
>> Can you elaborate on what this would look like? I think with the
>> "these two filters are the same" primitive (the same in the sense that
>> they were inherited during a fork, not just that
>> memcmp(filter1->insns, filter2->insns) == 0) you can infer the entire
>> hierarchy, however clunky it may be to do so.
>>
>> Another issue is that KCMP_FILE won't work in this case, as it
>> effectively compares the struct file *, which will be different since
>> we need to call anon_inode_getfd() for each call of
>> ptrace(PTRACE_SECCOMP_GET_FILTER_FD). We could add a KCMP_BPF (or just
>> a KCMP_FILE_PRIVATE_DATA, since that's effectively what it would be).
>> Does that make sense? [added Cyrill]
>
> If KCMP_FILE_PRIVATE_DATA isn't desired, I think a global counter id
> is the next best.

The problem is that you can't checkpoint and restore it.  We could
have a counter relative to the parent filter, though.

--Andy

>
> -Kees
>
> --
> Kees Cook
> Chrome OS Security



-- 
Andy Lutomirski
AMA Capital Management, LLC

  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-05  0:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-04 16:04 c/r of seccomp filters via underlying eBPF Tycho Andersen
2015-09-04 16:04 ` [PATCH 1/6] ebpf: add a seccomp program type Tycho Andersen
2015-09-04 20:17   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-09-04 21:09     ` Tycho Andersen
2015-09-04 20:34   ` Kees Cook
2015-09-04 21:06     ` Tycho Andersen
2015-09-04 21:08       ` Kees Cook
2015-09-09 15:50         ` Tycho Andersen
2015-09-09 16:07           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-09-09 16:09             ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-09-09 16:37               ` Kees Cook
2015-09-09 16:52                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-09-09 17:27                   ` Kees Cook
2015-09-09 17:31                     ` Tycho Andersen
2015-09-09 16:07           ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-09-04 21:50   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-09 16:13     ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-09-04 16:04 ` [PATCH 2/6] seccomp: make underlying bpf ref counted as well Tycho Andersen
2015-09-04 21:53   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-04 16:04 ` [PATCH 3/6] ebpf: add a way to dump an eBPF program Tycho Andersen
2015-09-04 20:17   ` Kees Cook
2015-09-04 20:45     ` Tycho Andersen
2015-09-04 20:50       ` Kees Cook
2015-09-04 20:58         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-09-04 21:00           ` Tycho Andersen
2015-09-04 21:48       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-04 22:28         ` Tycho Andersen
2015-09-04 23:08           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-05  0:27             ` Tycho Andersen
2015-09-09 22:34               ` Tycho Andersen
2015-09-09 23:44                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-10  0:13                   ` Tycho Andersen
2015-09-10  0:44                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-10  0:58                       ` Tycho Andersen
2015-09-04 23:27           ` Kees Cook
2015-09-05  0:08             ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2015-09-04 20:27   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-09-04 20:42     ` Tycho Andersen
2015-09-04 16:04 ` [PATCH 4/6] seccomp: add a way to access filters via bpf fds Tycho Andersen
2015-09-04 20:26   ` Kees Cook
2015-09-04 20:29     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-09-04 20:58       ` Tycho Andersen
2015-09-04 16:04 ` [PATCH 5/6] seccomp: add a way to attach a filter via eBPF fd Tycho Andersen
2015-09-04 20:40   ` Alexei Starovoitov
     [not found]   ` <1441382664-17437-6-git-send-email-tycho.andersen-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-04 20:41     ` Kees Cook
     [not found]       ` <CAGXu5jKke44txdYqEgPRrkn8SyWGjJuHxT2qMdq2ztp_16mQyw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-05  7:13         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]           ` <55EA95FE.7000006-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-08 13:40             ` Tycho Andersen
2015-09-09  0:07               ` Kees Cook
     [not found]                 ` <CAGXu5jKS0yX92XXhL6ZkqMrxkqFpPyyBd7wbsvEEx4rqZ0VG6g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-09 14:47                   ` Tycho Andersen
2015-09-09 15:14                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
     [not found]                       ` <20150909151402.GA3429-2RGepAHry04KGsCuBW9QBvb0xQGhdpdCAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-09 15:55                         ` Tycho Andersen
2015-09-04 16:04 ` [PATCH 6/6] ebpf: allow BPF_REG_X in src_reg conditional jumps Tycho Andersen
2015-09-04 21:06   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-09-04 22:43     ` Tycho Andersen
2015-09-05  4:12       ` Alexei Starovoitov

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