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From: Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>
To: John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com>,
	Chris Mi <chrism@mellanox.com>,
	Linux Kernel Network Developers <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>, Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
Subject: Re: Get rid of RCU callbacks in TC filters?
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 20:15:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAM_iQpW90BZaKHkFhvuYJLWDg85m6ec7secv3whc5emy7EfsMQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52808e54-2f59-49c8-37be-d226e79fe286@gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 8:34 AM, John Fastabend
<john.fastabend@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My take on this would be to stay with the current RCU callbacks and try
> to simplify the implementation. Falling back to sync operations seems
> like a step backwards to me. I know update/delete of filters is currently
> a pain point for some use cases so getting the RTNL out of the way may
> become a requirement to support those (alternatively maybe batching is
> good enough).

For me it looks like very hard to make tc action destroy code completely
race-free in RCU callbacks, at least looks harder than getting rid of
RCU callbacks.


>
> I guess at a high level with Cris' patches actions are now doing reference
> counting correctly. If shared filters also do reference counting similarly
> we should be OK right? (yes I know simplifying maybe too much to be
> meaningful)

I don't know what you mean by "doing reference counting correctly",
if you mean making them atomic, as I already explained to Chris, it
is not necessary at all if we remove RCU callbacks. Refcnt doesn't
have to be atomic if it is always serialized with a lock.

>
> Are we aware of any outstanding problem areas?
>

Potentially many problems, since tc action destroy code could be
called either with a RTNL lock (fine) or in a RCU callback without
RTNL lock (buggy), these two paths race with each other and RCU
callbacks race among themselves too.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-20  3:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-18 17:36 Get rid of RCU callbacks in TC filters? Cong Wang
2017-10-18 19:35 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-19 15:34   ` John Fastabend
2017-10-20  3:15     ` Cong Wang [this message]
2017-10-20  3:26   ` Cong Wang
2017-10-20 16:56     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-20 20:31       ` Cong Wang
2017-10-20 20:52         ` Cong Wang
2017-10-23 11:10           ` David Laight

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