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From: "Maciej Żenczykowski" <maze@google.com>
To: Tore Anderson <tore@fud.no>
Cc: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Tom Herbert <therbert@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] ipv6: RTAX_FEATURE_ALLFRAG causes inefficient TCP segment sizing
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 04:55:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANP3RGdv1eoPP-UNrbif92teH_9oO-WA0CZXJsDREwrcYiRODQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4b7a2708fd4545ac65cfef6561e7f02a@greed.fud.no>

>> (*) Would it be legal for a tunnel endpoint to support ipv6 packets up
>> to 1280 bytes in size
>> but still send back a 'packet to big please use 1K mtu' message?
>
>
> I don't think this is a valid thing to do - either the tunnel server would
> forward the packet through the tunnel (fragmenting the underlaying IPv4 if
> necessary), and *not* send back a ICMPv6 PTB error at the same time, OR: it
> would need to drop the packet and *do* send back the ICMPv6 PTB. Not both
> at the same time.
>
> However, if it is going to drop the large packets and reply with the PTB, it
> will cause a blackhole with current Linux, because if it get the PTB with
> MTU=1000, it will include the frag header, but *not* reduce the actual
> packet
> size. And since this is pure IPv6 routing, the tunnel server will not be
> able
> to fragment the IPv6 packets, since IPv6 routers don't do that (the presense
> of the Fragmentation header does not change this fact).
>
> So the tunnel routers pretty much *must* support an IPv6 MTU of 1280, either
> by ensuring the outer IPv4 MTU is 1300 or larger, or by performing IPv4
> fragmentation and reassembly "under the hood".

I think you could still accept 1280 mtu packets, but for packets >= 1281 mtu
you could return packet to big, please use mtu=1000.

>
> I don't think it is worth while (or even appropriate) for the Linux IPv6
> stack
> to try to optimize for this.

Agreed.  Let's ignore this.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-04-25 11:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-24 17:37 [PATCH net-next] ipv6: RTAX_FEATURE_ALLFRAG causes inefficient TCP segment sizing Eric Dumazet
2012-04-24 19:49 ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2012-04-24 20:10   ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-24 21:50     ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2012-04-24 21:51       ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2012-04-25  5:32       ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-25  7:34         ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2012-04-25  9:20           ` Tore Anderson
2012-04-25  9:38             ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-25  9:51               ` Tore Anderson
2012-04-25  9:52               ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2012-04-25 10:02               ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-25 18:39                 ` David Miller
2012-04-25  9:48             ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2012-04-25 10:04               ` Tore Anderson
2012-04-25 10:15                 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-25 10:30                 ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2012-04-25 10:44                   ` Eric Dumazet
2012-04-26 10:32                     ` Tore Anderson
2012-04-25 10:45                   ` Tore Anderson
2012-04-25 11:02                     ` Maciej Żenczykowski
2012-04-25 11:49                       ` Tore Anderson
2012-04-25 11:55                         ` Maciej Żenczykowski [this message]
2012-04-27  4:03 ` David Miller

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