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Fri, 25 Sep 2026 13:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2026 20:27:31 +0000 Message-Id: Cc: "Jakub Sitnicki" , "Daniel Zahka" , , "Kuniyuki Iwashima" , "Paolo Abeni" , "Stanislav Fomichev" , , , "Daniel Borkmann" , "John Fastabend" , "Andrii Nakryiko" , "Eduard Zingerman" , "Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi" , "Martin KaFai Lau" , "Song Liu" , "Yonghong Song" , "Jiri Olsa" , "Emil Tsalapatis" , "David S. Miller" , "Eric Dumazet" , "Simon Horman" , "Jesper Dangaard Brouer" , "Willem de Bruijn" , "Florian Westphal" , "Jack Wang" <163wangjack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 03/14] bpf: Make BPF skb extension survive packet scrubbing From: "Alexei Starovoitov" To: "Jakub Kicinski" X-Mailer: aerc 0.20.1-349-gb940a4174a3e-dirty References: <20260910-bpf-meta-inside-skb-ext-v2-0-0b21e42180b0@cloudflare.com> <20260910-bpf-meta-inside-skb-ext-v2-3-0b21e42180b0@cloudflare.com> <87fqyypp67.fsf@cloudflare.com> <20260925121849.2ac5150b@kernel.org> <20260925132004.171b751e@kernel.org> In-Reply-To: <20260925132004.171b751e@kernel.org> On Fri Sep 25, 2026 at 8:20 PM UTC, Jakub Kicinski wrote: > On Fri, 25 Sep 2026 19:51:37 +0000 Alexei Starovoitov wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2026 at 12:18 PM Jakub Kicinski wrote: >> > Instead of improving the existing infra we're adding more BPF-specific >> > glue and another bit to the skb. Matter of perspective I suppose :/ = =20 >>=20 >> skb_ext version needs a bit too. SKB_EXT_BPF is the 8th id, so it takes >> the last bit of u8 active_extensions. >> skbuff_ext_cache object is sized for all ids, so it also grows by >> BPF_SKB_EXT_SIZE for xfrm, mptcp, psp whether bpf is used or not. >>=20 >> As I said earlier skb_ext is fine from bpf pov. If it can be made as >> cheap as bit + tracepoint I don't mind it at all. >> Which part of skb_ext would you improve? > > Mostly allocation speed. Either a small per-CPU cache like we have > for skbs or let the scalar matadata fields live inside the skb. makes sense to me. Speeding up generic infra is always a good thing. > That said, the selective tracing approach is also tempting. > It'd be great if we could have that for sockets. > Could we possibly think of a way to build that into tracepoints > instead of having the open coded > > obj_maybe_trace_bla() > { > if (obj->trace) > trace_bla(); > } > > Having both: > > skb_maybe_trace_free(skb, SKB_CONSUMED); > skb_release_data(skb, SKB_CONSUMED); with a 3rd enum argument for different use cases? As a way to generalize different bits / different users? Also makes sense.