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From: Menglong Dong <menglong.dong@linux.dev>
To: menglong8.dong@gmail.com, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: jasowang@redhat.com, mst@redhat.com, xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com,
	eperezma@redhat.com, andrew+netdev@lunn.ch, davem@davemloft.net,
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	magnus.karlsson@intel.com, maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com,
	sdf@fomichev.me, horms@kernel.org, ast@kernel.org,
	daniel@iogearbox.net, hawk@kernel.org, john.fastabend@gmail.com,
	bjorn@kernel.org, kerneljasonxing@gmail.com,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 1/3] net: busy-poll: introduce sk_tx_busy_loop()
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2026 18:12:46 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <TYn10tJ2SIGF1pAhF26DRQ@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260613112113.55d9313f@kernel.org>

On 2026/6/14 02:21, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Jun 2026 15:12:40 +0800 menglong8.dong@gmail.com wrote:
> > For now, we use sk_busy_loop() for both rx and tx path. The sk_busy_loop()
> > will call napi_busy_loop() for the specified napi_id. However, some
> > nic drivers have tx napi, such as virtio-net. In this case, sk_busy_loop()
> > doesn't work, as it can only schedule the NAPI for the rx queue.
> > 
> > Therefore, introduce sk_tx_busy_loop() for the nic drivers that support tx
> > napi, which will schedule the tx napi if available.
> 
> First, I thought the only difference with Tx NAPI is that it can't be
> busy polled. So if you want to poll an instance don't register it as 
> a Tx one instead of adding all this "tx polling" stuff in the core?

I see. Register the tx NAPI with netif_napi_add_config() allow us
busy poll it. But we still have two NAPI instance: rx NAPI and tx NAPI.
sk_busy_loop() can only busy poll on one of them.

Before AF_XDP, we don't have the need to send packet via tx NAPI, which
means that we don't need to busy poll it.

I analyst some nic drivers on the implement of AF_XDP. Some of them
will check xsk tx ring of current queue and send the data in it in the
rx NAPI, such as mlx5. Some of them will allocate a extra "rxtx" NAPI
for the AF_XDP zero-copy queue, which will poll both the data receiving
and sending.

In the case about, they will do the data sending and receiving for the
AF_XDP in a single NAPI instance.

However, some driver receiving the data in rx NAPI and send data in
tx NAPI for AF_XDP. In this case, we can't use sk_busy_loop() for both
rx path and tx path, as we need to wake different NAPI instance.

> 
> Second, can this problem happen for any other NIC or is it purely 
> an artifact of virtio's delayed Tx completion handling?

According to my analysis, only virtio-net and ICSSG driver have
split NAPI for AF_XDP. I don't have a ICSSG nic, but the codex tell
me that it does have the same problem.

I'm not sure if it is a good idea to introduce the sk_tx_busy_loop().
Maybe we can modify the driver instead by using the same NAPI
for both data sending and receiving, just like others do. The
advantage of introduce sk_tx_busy_loop() is that we can split the
data sending and receiving, which maybe more efficient.

> 
> Third, this series does not apply.

Ah, I'll rebase this series if a V2 is acceptable.

Thanks!
Menglong Dong

> 
> 





  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-14 10:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-11  7:12 [PATCH net-next 0/3] xsk: support tx napi busy_poll menglong8.dong
2026-06-11  7:12 ` [PATCH net-next 1/3] net: busy-poll: introduce sk_tx_busy_loop() menglong8.dong
2026-06-13 18:21   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-14 10:12     ` Menglong Dong [this message]
2026-06-11  7:12 ` [PATCH net-next 2/3] virtio_net: initialize napi.tx_napi in virtnet_alloc_queues() menglong8.dong
2026-06-11  7:12 ` [PATCH net-next 3/3] xsk: replace sk_busy_loop with sk_tx_busy_loop in __xsk_sendmsg() menglong8.dong
2026-06-11 18:40 ` [PATCH net-next 0/3] xsk: support tx napi busy_poll Maciej Fijalkowski
2026-06-12  1:09   ` Menglong Dong

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