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From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: Mark Bloch <mbloch@nvidia.com>, Saeed Mahameed <saeed@kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@nvidia.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Tariq Toukan <tariqt@nvidia.com>,
	Roi Dayan <roid@nvidia.com>, Maor Dickman <maord@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [net-next 01/15] net/mlx5: Lag, Let user configure multiport eswitch
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 14:38:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y+uO6m6flqC85Isn@nanopsycho> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230213180246.06ae4acd@kernel.org>

Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 03:02:46AM CET, kuba@kernel.org wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 21:00:16 +0200 Mark Bloch wrote:
>> I agree with you this definitely should be the default. That was
>> the plan in the beginning. Testing uncovered that making it the default
>> breaks users. It changes the look and feel of the driver when in switchdev
>> mode, the customers we've talked with are very afraid
>> it will break their software and actually, we've seen real breakages
>> and I fully expect more to pop up once this feature goes live.
>
>Real breakages as in bugs that are subsequently addressed or inherent
>differences which customers may need to adjust their code for?
>Either way we need the expectation captured in the docs - 
>an "experimental" warning or examples of cases which behave differently.
>
>> We've started reaching out to customers and working with them on updating
>> their software but such a change takes time and honestly, we would like to
>> push this change out as soon as possible and start building
>> on top of this new mode. Once more features that are only possible in this
>> new mode are added it will be an even bigger incentive to move to it.
>> 
>> We believe this parameter will allow customers to transition to the new
>> mode faster as we know this is a big change, let's start the transition
>> as soon as possible as we know delaying it will only make things worse.
>> Add a flag so we can control it and in the future, once all the software
>> is updated switch the flag to be the default and keep it for legacy
>> software where updating the logic isn't possible.
>
>Oh, the "legacy software where updating the logic isn't possible"
>sounds concerning. Do we know what those cases are? Can we perhaps
>constrain them to run on a specific version of HW (say starting with
>CX8 the param will no longer be there and only the right behavior will
>be supported upstream)?
>
>I'm speaking under assumption that the document+deprecate plan is okay
>with Jiri.

I just talked with Mark. Makes sense to properly document and deprecate
as soon as possible. I don't see any other way. I can't wait when it is
done :)

so +1

Thanks!

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-02-14 13:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-10 22:18 [pull request][net-next 00/15] mlx5 updates 2023-02-10 Saeed Mahameed
2023-02-10 22:18 ` [net-next 01/15] net/mlx5: Lag, Let user configure multiport eswitch Saeed Mahameed
2023-02-11  4:03   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-02-13 11:32     ` Jiri Pirko
2023-02-13 19:00     ` Mark Bloch
2023-02-14  2:02       ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-02-14  7:31         ` Mark Bloch
2023-02-14 20:40           ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-02-14 21:50             ` Saeed Mahameed
2023-02-14 13:38         ` Jiri Pirko [this message]
2023-02-14 17:07   ` Alexander Lobakin
2023-02-14 21:49     ` Saeed Mahameed
2023-02-15 11:46     ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-02-15 17:04       ` Alexander Lobakin
2023-02-15 19:41         ` Saeed Mahameed
2023-02-10 22:18 ` [net-next 02/15] net/mlx5e: TC, Add peer flow in mpesw mode Saeed Mahameed
2023-02-10 22:18 ` [net-next 03/15] net/mlx5: E-Switch, rename bond update function to be reused Saeed Mahameed
2023-02-10 22:18 ` [net-next 04/15] net/mlx5: Lag, set different uplink vport metadata in multiport eswitch mode Saeed Mahameed
2023-02-10 22:18 ` [net-next 05/15] net/mlx5: Lag, Add single RDMA device in multiport mode Saeed Mahameed
2023-02-10 22:18 ` [net-next 06/15] net/mlx5e: Use a simpler comparison for uplink rep Saeed Mahameed
2023-02-10 22:18 ` [net-next 07/15] net/mlx5e: TC, Remove redundant parse_attr argument Saeed Mahameed
2023-02-10 22:18 ` [net-next 08/15] net/mlx5: Remove outdated comment Saeed Mahameed
2023-02-10 22:18 ` [net-next 09/15] net/mlx5e: Pass mdev to mlx5e_devlink_port_register() Saeed Mahameed
2023-02-10 22:18 ` [net-next 10/15] net/mlx5e: Replace usage of mlx5e_devlink_get_dl_port() by netdev->devlink_port Saeed Mahameed
2023-02-10 22:18 ` [net-next 11/15] net/mlx5e: Move dl_port to struct mlx5e_dev Saeed Mahameed
2023-02-10 22:18 ` [net-next 12/15] net/mlx5e: Move devlink port registration to be done before netdev alloc Saeed Mahameed
2023-02-10 22:18 ` [net-next 13/15] net/mlx5e: Create auxdev devlink instance in the same ns as parent devlink Saeed Mahameed
2023-02-10 22:18 ` [net-next 14/15] net/mlx5: Remove "recovery" arg from mlx5_load_one() function Saeed Mahameed
2023-02-10 22:18 ` [net-next 15/15] net/mlx5: Suspend auxiliary devices only in case of PCI device suspend Saeed Mahameed

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