From: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>
To: Jacob Keller <jacob.e.keller@intel.com>
Cc: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
davem@davemloft.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, edumazet@google.com,
pabeni@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 7/9] devlink: allow registering parameters after the instance
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 09:07:43 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y7+xv6gKaU+Horrk@unreal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f5d9201b-fb73-ebfe-3ad3-4172164a33f3@intel.com>
On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 01:29:03PM -0800, Jacob Keller wrote:
>
>
> On 1/11/2023 8:45 AM, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 10:32:13 +0100 Jiri Pirko wrote:
> >>>> I'm confused. You want to register objects after instance register?
> >>>
> >>> +1, I think it's an anti-pattern.
> >>
> >> Could you elaborate a bit please?
> >
> > Mixing registering sub-objects before and after the instance is a bit
> > of an anti-pattern. Easy to introduce bugs during reload and reset /
> > error recovery. I thought that's what you were saying as well.
>
> I was thinking of a case where an object is dynamic and might get added
> based on events occurring after the devlink was registered.
>
> But the more I think about it the less that makes sense. What events
> would cause a whole subobject to be registerd which we wouldn't already
> know about during initialization of devlink?
>
> We do need some dynamic support because situations like "add port" will
> add a port and then the ports subresources after the main devlink, but I
> think that is already supported well and we'd add the port sub-resources
> at the same time as the port.
>
> But thinking more on this, there isn't really another good example since
> we'd register things like health reporters, regions, resources, etc all
> during initialization. Each of these sub objects may have dynamic
> portions (ex: region captures, health events, etc) but the need for the
> object should be known about during init time if its supported by the
> device driver.
As a user, I don't want to see any late dynamic object addition which is
not triggered by me explicitly. As it doesn't make any sense to add
various delays per-vendor/kernel in configuration scripts just because
not everything is ready. Users need predictability, lazy addition of
objects adds chaos instead.
Agree with Jakub, it is anti-pattern.
Thanks
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-01-12 7:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-01-06 6:33 [PATCH net-next 0/9] devlink: remove the wait-for-references on unregister Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-06 6:33 ` [PATCH net-next 1/9] devlink: bump the instance index directly when iterating Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-06 12:17 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06 6:33 ` [PATCH net-next 2/9] devlink: update the code in netns move to latest helpers Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-06 6:33 ` [PATCH net-next 3/9] devlink: protect devlink->dev by the instance lock Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-06 12:18 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06 6:33 ` [PATCH net-next 4/9] devlink: always check if the devlink instance is registered Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-06 12:41 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06 17:03 ` Jacob Keller
2023-01-06 21:19 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-07 9:05 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06 6:33 ` [PATCH net-next 5/9] devlink: remove the registration guarantee of references Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-06 12:42 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06 6:33 ` [PATCH net-next 6/9] devlink: don't require setting features before registration Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-06 12:43 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06 6:34 ` [PATCH net-next 7/9] devlink: allow registering parameters after the instance Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-06 12:55 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06 21:22 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-07 9:20 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-10 0:21 ` Jacob Keller
2023-01-10 16:35 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-10 20:22 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-11 9:32 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-11 16:45 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-11 21:29 ` Jacob Keller
2023-01-12 7:07 ` Leon Romanovsky [this message]
2023-01-12 14:59 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-12 19:58 ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-01-13 7:50 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-15 8:35 ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-01-16 10:33 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-16 11:25 ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-01-12 19:20 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-12 20:09 ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-01-12 22:44 ` Jacob Keller
2023-01-13 6:45 ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-01-13 7:53 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-11 13:21 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06 6:34 ` [PATCH net-next 8/9] netdevsim: rename a label Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-06 12:56 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06 6:34 ` [PATCH net-next 9/9] netdevsim: move devlink registration under the instance lock Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-06 15:49 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06 13:10 ` [PATCH net-next 0/9] devlink: remove the wait-for-references on unregister patchwork-bot+netdevbpf
2023-01-06 15:49 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06 17:06 ` Jacob Keller
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