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From: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: davem@davemloft.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, edumazet@google.com,
	pabeni@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 11/13] netlink: specs: finish up operation enum-models
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2023 11:32:51 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y9gbYw3oc7GjfFnU@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230128043217.1572362-12-kuba@kernel.org>

On 01/27, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> I had a (bright?) idea of introducing the concept of enum-models
> to account for all the weird ways families enumerate their messages.
> I've never finished it because generating C code for each of them
> is pretty daunting. But for languages which can use ID values directly
> the support is simple enough, so clean this up a bit.

> "unified" model is what I recommend going forward.
> "directional" model is what ethtool uses.
> "notify-split" is used by the proposed DPLL code, but we can just
> make them use "unified", it hasn't been merged :)

> Signed-off-by: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
> ---
>   Documentation/netlink/genetlink-c.yaml        |  4 +-
>   Documentation/netlink/genetlink-legacy.yaml   | 11 ++-
>   Documentation/netlink/genetlink.yaml          |  4 +-
>   .../netlink/genetlink-legacy.rst              | 82 +++++++++++++++++++
>   4 files changed, 92 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)

> diff --git a/Documentation/netlink/genetlink-c.yaml  
> b/Documentation/netlink/genetlink-c.yaml
> index e23e3c94a932..bbcfa2472b04 100644
> --- a/Documentation/netlink/genetlink-c.yaml
> +++ b/Documentation/netlink/genetlink-c.yaml
> @@ -218,9 +218,7 @@ additionalProperties: False
>             to a single enum.
>             "directional" has the messages sent to the kernel and from the  
> kernel
>             enumerated separately.
> -          "notify-split" has the notifications and request-response  
> types in
> -          different enums.
> -        enum: [ unified, directional, notify-split ]
> +        enum: [ unified ]
>         name-prefix:
>           description: |
>             Prefix for the C enum name of the command. The name is formed  
> by concatenating
> diff --git a/Documentation/netlink/genetlink-legacy.yaml  
> b/Documentation/netlink/genetlink-legacy.yaml
> index 88db2431ef26..5642925c4ceb 100644
> --- a/Documentation/netlink/genetlink-legacy.yaml
> +++ b/Documentation/netlink/genetlink-legacy.yaml
> @@ -241,9 +241,7 @@ additionalProperties: False
>             to a single enum.
>             "directional" has the messages sent to the kernel and from the  
> kernel
>             enumerated separately.
> -          "notify-split" has the notifications and request-response  
> types in
> -          different enums.
> -        enum: [ unified, directional, notify-split ]
> +        enum: [ unified, directional ] # Trim
>         name-prefix:
>           description: |
>             Prefix for the C enum name of the command. The name is formed  
> by concatenating
> @@ -307,6 +305,13 @@ additionalProperties: False
>                         type: array
>                         items:
>                           type: string
> +                    # Start genetlink-legacy
> +                    value:
> +                      description: |
> +                        ID of this message if value for request and  
> response differ,
> +                        i.e. requests and responses have different  
> message enums.
> +                      $ref: '#/$defs/uint'
> +                    # End genetlink-legacy
>                   reply: *subop-attr-list
>                   pre:
>                     description: Hook for a function to run before the  
> main callback (pre_doit or start).
> diff --git a/Documentation/netlink/genetlink.yaml  
> b/Documentation/netlink/genetlink.yaml
> index b5e712bbe7e7..62a922755ce2 100644
> --- a/Documentation/netlink/genetlink.yaml
> +++ b/Documentation/netlink/genetlink.yaml
> @@ -188,9 +188,7 @@ additionalProperties: False
>             to a single enum.
>             "directional" has the messages sent to the kernel and from the  
> kernel
>             enumerated separately.
> -          "notify-split" has the notifications and request-response  
> types in
> -          different enums.
> -        enum: [ unified, directional, notify-split ]
> +        enum: [ unified ]
>         name-prefix:
>           description: |
>             Prefix for the C enum name of the command. The name is formed  
> by concatenating
> diff --git a/Documentation/userspace-api/netlink/genetlink-legacy.rst  
> b/Documentation/userspace-api/netlink/genetlink-legacy.rst
> index 65cbbffee0bf..ae6053e3e50c 100644
> --- a/Documentation/userspace-api/netlink/genetlink-legacy.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/userspace-api/netlink/genetlink-legacy.rst
> @@ -74,6 +74,88 @@ type. Inside the attr-index nest are the policy  
> attributes. Modern
>   Netlink families should have instead defined this as a flat structure,
>   the nesting serves no good purpose here.

> +Operations
> +==========
> +
> +Enum (message ID) model
> +-----------------------
> +
> +unified
> +~~~~~~~
> +
> +Modern families use the ``unified`` message ID model, which uses
> +a single enumeration for all messages within family. Requests and
> +responses share the same message ID. Notifications have separate
> +IDs from the same space. For example given the following list
> +of operations:
> +
> +.. code-block:: yaml
> +
> +  -
> +    name: a
> +    value: 1
> +    do: ...
> +  -
> +    name: b
> +    do: ...
> +  -
> +    name: c
> +    value: 4
> +    notify: a
> +  -
> +    name: d
> +    do: ...
> +
> +Requests and responses for aperation ``a`` will have the ID of 1,

s/aperation/operation/ ?

> +the requests and responses of ``b`` - 2 (since there is no explicit
> +``value`` it's previous operation ``+ 1``). Notification ``c`` will
> +used the ID of 4, operation ``d`` 5 etc.

s/used/use/ ?

> +
> +directional
> +~~~~~~~~~~~
> +
> +The ``directional`` model splits the ID assignment by the direction of
> +the message. Messages from and to the kernel can't be confused with
> +each other so this conserves the ID space (at the cost of making
> +the programming more cumbersome).
> +
> +In this case ``value`` attribute should be specified in the ``request``
> +``reply`` sections of the operations (if an operation has both ``do``
> +and ``dump`` the IDs are shared, ``value`` should be set in ``do``).
> +For notifications the ``value`` is provided at the op level but it
> +only allocates a ``reply`` (i.e. a "from-kernel" ID). Let's look
> +at an example:
> +
> +.. code-block:: yaml
> +
> +  -
> +    name: a
> +    do:

[..]

> +      request:
> +        value: 2
> +	attributes: ...
> +      reply:
> +        value: 1
> +	attributes: ...

'attributes' indentation is wrong for both request/reply?

> +  -
> +    name: b
> +    notify: a
> +  -
> +    name: c
> +    notify: a
> +    value: 7
> +  -
> +    name: d
> +    do: ...
> +
> +In this case ``a`` will use 2 when sending the message to the kernel
> +and expects message with ID 1 in response. Notificatoin ``b`` allocates
> +a "from-kernel" ID which is 2. ``c`` allocates "from-kernel" ID of 7.
> +If operation ``d`` does not set ``values`` explicitly in the spec
> +it will be allocated 3 for the request (``a`` is the previous operation
> +with a request section and the value of 2) and 8 for response (``c`` is
> +the previous operation in the "from-kernel" direction).
> +
>   Other quirks (todo)
>   ===================

> --
> 2.39.1


  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-30 19:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-28  4:32 [PATCH net-next 00/13] tools: ynl: more docs and basic ethtool support Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-28  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 01/13] tools: ynl-gen: prevent do / dump reordering Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-28  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 02/13] tools: ynl: move the cli and netlink code around Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-28  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 03/13] tools: ynl: add an object hierarchy to represent parsed spec Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-28  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 04/13] tools: ynl: use the common YAML loading and validation code Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-28  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 05/13] tools: ynl: add support for types needed by ethtool Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-28  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 06/13] tools: ynl: support directional enum-model in CLI Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-28  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 07/13] tools: ynl: support multi-attr Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-28  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 08/13] tools: ynl: support pretty printing bad attribute names Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-28  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 09/13] tools: ynl: use operation names from spec on the CLI Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-28  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 10/13] tools: ynl: load jsonschema on demand Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-28  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 11/13] netlink: specs: finish up operation enum-models Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-30 19:32   ` Stanislav Fomichev [this message]
2023-01-28  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 12/13] netlink: specs: add partial specification for ethtool Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-28  4:32 ` [PATCH net-next 13/13] docs: netlink: add a starting guide for working with specs Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-30 19:36 ` [PATCH net-next 00/13] tools: ynl: more docs and basic ethtool support Stanislav Fomichev
2023-01-30 19:51   ` Jakub Kicinski

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