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From: Hangbin Liu <liuhangbin@gmail.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, Jay Vosburgh <j.vosburgh@gmail.com>,
	Veaceslav Falico <vfalico@gmail.com>,
	Andy Gospodarek <andy@greyhouse.net>,
	davem@davemloft.net, Richard Cochran <richardcochran@gmail.com>,
	Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] bond: pass get_ts_info and SIOC[SG]HWTSTAMP ioctl to active device
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 10:55:04 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YamHCHzmmQFA6Wxb@Laptop-X1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211202065923.7fc5aa8f@kicinski-fedora-pc1c0hjn.dhcp.thefacebook.com>

On Thu, Dec 02, 2021 at 06:59:23AM -0800, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Dec 2021 11:04:40 +0800 Hangbin Liu wrote:
> > > Yeah, there should be some form of well understood indication in the
> > > uAPI telling the user space daemon that the PHC may get swapped on the
> > > interface, and a reliable notification which indicates PHC change.
> > > There is a number of user space daemons out there, fixing linuxptp does
> > > not mean other user space won't be broken/surprised/angry.  
> > 
> > This is a RFE, I don't think this patch will affect the current user space as
> > the new topology is not supported before. i.e. no user space tool will configure
> > PTP based on bond or vlan over bond. And even the user space use other ways to
> > get bond's active interface, e.g. via netlink message. It still not affected
> > and could keep using the old way. So I think this patch should be safe.
> > 
> > Did I miss any thing?
> 
> User can point their PTP daemon at any interface. Since bond now
> supports the uAPI the user will be blissfully unaware that their
> configuration will break if failover happens.
> 
> We can't expect every user and every PTP daemon to magically understand
> the implicit quirks of the drivers. Quirks which are not even
> documented.

Thanks for the explanation. I understand what you mean now.
> 
> What I'm saying is that we should have a new bit in the uAPI that
> tells us that the user space can deal with unstable PHC idx and reject
> the request forwarding in bond if that bit is not set. We have a flags
> field in hwtstamp_config which should fit the bill. Make sense?

Yes, this makes sense for me. I check this and try post a patch next week.

Thanks
Hangbin

  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-03  2:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-30  7:09 [PATCH net-next] bond: pass get_ts_info and SIOC[SG]HWTSTAMP ioctl to active device Hangbin Liu
2021-11-30 12:30 ` patchwork-bot+netdevbpf
2021-11-30 15:19 ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-12-01  4:57   ` Hangbin Liu
2021-12-01 15:11     ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-12-02  3:04       ` Hangbin Liu
2021-12-02 14:59         ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-12-03  2:55           ` Hangbin Liu [this message]
2021-12-03  2:58             ` Jakub Kicinski

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