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From: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
To: Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>
Cc: Vladimir Oltean <vladimir.oltean@nxp.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Vivien Didelot <vivien.didelot@gmail.com>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@kernel.org>,
	Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>,
	Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 00/10] Use robust notifiers in DSA
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 00:35:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yv6+m7T4HqYnYoDm@lunn.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220818222850.mskqhmzpvz2ooamv@skbuf>

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 01:28:50AM +0300, Vladimir Oltean wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 11:49:24PM +0200, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> > I would split it into two classes of errors:
> > 
> > Bus transactions fail. This very likely means the hardware design is
> > bad, connectors are loose, etc. There is not much we can do about
> > this, bad things are going to happen no what.
> > 
> > We have consumed all of some sort of resource. Out of memory, the ATU
> > is full, too many LAGs, etc. We try to roll back in order to get out
> > of this resource problem.
> > 
> > So i would say -EIO, -ETIMEDOUT, we don't care about too
> > much. -ENOMEM, -ENOBUF, -EOPNOTSUPP or whatever, we should try to do a
> > robust rollback.
> > 
> > The original design of switchdev was two phase:
> > 
> > 1) Allocate whatever resources are needed, can fail
> > 2) Put those resources into use, must not fail
> > 
> > At some point that all got thrown away.
> 
> So you think that rollback at the cross-chip notifier layer is a new
> problem we need to tackle, because we don't have enough transactional
> layering in the code?

No, i don't think it is a new problem, but it might help explain why
you don't feel quite right about it. Some errors we simply don't care
about because we cannot do anything about it. Other errors we should
try to rollback, and hence need robust notifiers for those errors.

    Andrew


  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-18 22:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-18 15:49 [RFC PATCH net-next 00/10] Use robust notifiers in DSA Vladimir Oltean
2022-08-18 15:49 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 01/10] notifier: allow robust variants to take a different void *v argument on rollback Vladimir Oltean
2022-08-18 15:49 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 02/10] net: dsa: introduce and use robust form of dsa_tree_notify() Vladimir Oltean
2022-08-18 15:49 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 03/10] net: dsa: introduce and use robust form of dsa_broadcast() Vladimir Oltean
2022-08-18 15:49 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 04/10] net: dsa: introduce and use robust form of dsa_port_notify() Vladimir Oltean
2022-08-18 15:49 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 05/10] Revert "net: dsa: felix: suppress non-changes to the tagging protocol" Vladimir Oltean
2022-08-18 15:49 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 06/10] net: dsa: convert switch.c functions to return void if they can Vladimir Oltean
2022-08-18 15:49 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 07/10] net: dsa: remove "breaking chain" comment from dsa_switch_event Vladimir Oltean
2022-08-18 15:49 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 08/10] net: dsa: introduce a robust form of MTU cross-chip notifiers Vladimir Oltean
2022-08-18 15:49 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 09/10] net: dsa: make dsa_tree_notify() and derivatives return void Vladimir Oltean
2022-08-18 15:49 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 10/10] net: dsa: make _del variants of functions " Vladimir Oltean
2022-08-18 21:49 ` [RFC PATCH net-next 00/10] Use robust notifiers in DSA Andrew Lunn
2022-08-18 22:28   ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-08-18 22:35     ` Andrew Lunn [this message]
2022-08-19  0:13       ` Vladimir Oltean

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