From: Joe Damato <jdamato@fastly.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: Samiullah Khawaja <skhawaja@google.com>,
"David S . Miller " <davem@davemloft.net>,
Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, mkarsten@uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 0/3] Add support to do threaded napi busy poll
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2025 11:25:10 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z37RFvD03cctrtTO@LQ3V64L9R2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250102164714.0d849aaf@kernel.org>
On Thu, Jan 02, 2025 at 04:47:14PM -0800, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 19:12:24 +0000 Samiullah Khawaja wrote:
> > Extend the already existing support of threaded napi poll to do continuous
> > busypolling.
> >
> > This is used for doing continuous polling of napi to fetch descriptors from
> > backing RX/TX queues for low latency applications. Allow enabling of threaded
> > busypoll using netlink so this can be enabled on a set of dedicated napis for
> > low latency applications.
>
> This is lacking clear justification and experimental results
> vs doing the same thing from user space.
Apologies for chiming in late here as I was out of the office, but I
agree with Jakub and Stanislav:
- This lacks clear justification and data to compare packet delivery
mechanisms. IMHO, at a minimum a real world application should be
benchmarked and various packet delivery mechanisms (including this
one) should be compared side-by-side. You don't need to do exactly
what Martin and I did [1], but I'd offer that as a possible
suggestion for how you might proceed if you need some suggestions.
- This should include a test of some sort; perhaps expanding the test
I added (as Stanislav suggested) would be a good start?
- IMHO, this change should also include updated kernel documentation
to clearly explain how, when, and why a user might use this and
what tradeoffs a user can expect. The commit message is, IMHO, far
too vague.
Including example code snippets or ynl invocations etc in the
kernel documentation would be very helpful.
> I'd also appreciate if Google could share the experience and results
> of using basic threaded NAPI _in production_.
+1; this data would be very insightful.
[1]: https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/20241109050245.191288-1-jdamato@fastly.com/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-01-08 19:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-01-02 19:12 [PATCH net-next 0/3] Add support to do threaded napi busy poll Samiullah Khawaja
2025-01-02 19:12 ` [PATCH net-next 1/3] Add support to set napi threaded for individual napi Samiullah Khawaja
2025-01-02 21:15 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-01-02 19:12 ` [PATCH net-next 2/3] net: Create separate gro_flush helper function Samiullah Khawaja
2025-01-02 19:12 ` [PATCH net-next 3/3] Extend napi threaded polling to allow kthread based busy polling Samiullah Khawaja
2025-01-02 21:16 ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2025-01-02 21:28 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-01-03 1:05 ` kernel test robot
2025-01-03 8:11 ` kernel test robot
2025-01-03 8:12 ` kernel test robot
2025-01-02 21:30 ` [PATCH net-next 0/3] Add support to do threaded napi busy poll Stanislav Fomichev
2025-01-02 21:56 ` David Laight
2025-01-03 0:47 ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-01-08 19:25 ` Joe Damato [this message]
2025-01-08 21:18 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2025-01-08 21:53 ` Martin Karsten
2025-01-15 22:35 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2025-01-16 0:28 ` Martin Karsten
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