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From: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Andy Gospodarek <andrew.gospodarek@broadcom.com>,
	Aron Silverton <aron.silverton@oracle.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com>,
	David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Itay Avraham <itayavr@nvidia.com>, Jiri Pirko <jiri@nvidia.com>,
	Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Leonid Bloch <lbloch@nvidia.com>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leonro@nvidia.com>,
	linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@nvidia.com>,
	"Nelson, Shannon" <shannon.nelson@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 6/8] fwctl: Add documentation
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2025 09:53:12 +0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z9TrmM9yZpNpOMr4@archie.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6-v5-642aa0c94070+4447f-fwctl_jgg@nvidia.com>

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On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 08:26:34PM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> diff --git a/Documentation/userspace-api/fwctl/fwctl.rst b/Documentation/userspace-api/fwctl/fwctl.rst
> new file mode 100644
> index 00000000000000..8c586a8f677d5b
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/Documentation/userspace-api/fwctl/fwctl.rst
> @@ -0,0 +1,284 @@
> +.. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> +
> +===============
> +fwctl subsystem
> +===============
> +
> +:Author: Jason Gunthorpe
> +
> +Overview
> +========
> +
> +Modern devices contain extensive amounts of FW, and in many cases, are largely
> +software-defined pieces of hardware. The evolution of this approach is largely a
> +reaction to Moore's Law where a chip tape out is now highly expensive, and the
> +chip design is extremely large. Replacing fixed HW logic with a flexible and
> +tightly coupled FW/HW combination is an effective risk mitigation against chip
> +respin. Problems in the HW design can be counteracted in device FW. This is
> +especially true for devices which present a stable and backwards compatible
> +interface to the operating system driver (such as NVMe).
> +
> +The FW layer in devices has grown to incredible size and devices frequently
> +integrate clusters of fast processors to run it. For example, mlx5 devices have
> +over 30MB of FW code, and big configurations operate with over 1GB of FW managed
> +runtime state.
> +
> +The availability of such a flexible layer has created quite a variety in the
> +industry where single pieces of silicon are now configurable software-defined
> +devices and can operate in substantially different ways depending on the need.
> +Further, we often see cases where specific sites wish to operate devices in ways
> +that are highly specialized and require applications that have been tailored to
> +their unique configuration.
> +
> +Further, devices have become multi-functional and integrated to the point they
> +no longer fit neatly into the kernel's division of subsystems. Modern
> +multi-functional devices have drivers, such as bnxt/ice/mlx5/pds, that span many
> +subsystems while sharing the underlying hardware using the auxiliary device
> +system.
> +
> +All together this creates a challenge for the operating system, where devices
> +have an expansive FW environment that needs robust device-specific debugging
> +support, and FW-driven functionality that is not well suited to “generic”
> +interfaces. fwctl seeks to allow access to the full device functionality from
> +user space in the areas of debuggability, management, and first-boot/nth-boot
> +provisioning.
> +
> +fwctl is aimed at the common device design pattern where the OS and FW
> +communicate via an RPC message layer constructed with a queue or mailbox scheme.
> +In this case the driver will typically have some layer to deliver RPC messages
> +and collect RPC responses from device FW. The in-kernel subsystem drivers that
> +operate the device for its primary purposes will use these RPCs to build their
> +drivers, but devices also usually have a set of ancillary RPCs that don't really
> +fit into any specific subsystem. For example, a HW RAID controller is primarily
> +operated by the block layer but also comes with a set of RPCs to administer the
> +construction of drives within the HW RAID.
> +
> +In the past when devices were more single function, individual subsystems would
> +grow different approaches to solving some of these common problems. For instance
> +monitoring device health, manipulating its FLASH, debugging the FW,
> +provisioning, all have various unique interfaces across the kernel.
> +
> +fwctl's purpose is to define a common set of limited rules, described below,
> +that allow user space to securely construct and execute RPCs inside device FW.
> +The rules serve as an agreement between the operating system and FW on how to
> +correctly design the RPC interface. As a uAPI the subsystem provides a thin
> +layer of discovery and a generic uAPI to deliver the RPCs and collect the
> +response. It supports a system of user space libraries and tools which will
> +use this interface to control the device using the device native protocols.
> +
> +Scope of Action
> +---------------
> +
> +fwctl drivers are strictly restricted to being a way to operate the device FW.
> +It is not an avenue to access random kernel internals, or other operating system
> +SW states.
> +
> +fwctl instances must operate on a well-defined device function, and the device
> +should have a well-defined security model for what scope within the physical
> +device the function is permitted to access. For instance, the most complex PCIe
> +device today may broadly have several function-level scopes:
> +
> + 1. A privileged function with full access to the on-device global state and
> +    configuration
> +
> + 2. Multiple hypervisor functions with control over itself and child functions
> +    used with VMs
> +
> + 3. Multiple VM functions tightly scoped within the VM
> +
> +The device may create a logical parent/child relationship between these scopes.
> +For instance a child VM's FW may be within the scope of the hypervisor FW. It is
> +quite common in the VFIO world that the hypervisor environment has a complex
> +provisioning/profiling/configuration responsibility for the function VFIO
> +assigns to the VM.
> +
> +Further, within the function, devices often have RPC commands that fall within
> +some general scopes of action (see enum fwctl_rpc_scope):
> +
> + 1. Access to function & child configuration, FLASH, etc. that becomes live at a
> +    function reset. Access to function & child runtime configuration that is
> +    transparent or non-disruptive to any driver or VM.
> +
> + 2. Read-only access to function debug information that may report on FW objects
> +    in the function & child, including FW objects owned by other kernel
> +    subsystems.
> +
> + 3. Write access to function & child debug information strictly compatible with
> +    the principles of kernel lockdown and kernel integrity protection. Triggers
> +    a kernel Taint.
> +
> + 4. Full debug device access. Triggers a kernel Taint, requires CAP_SYS_RAWIO.
> +
> +User space will provide a scope label on each RPC and the kernel must enforce the
> +above CAPs and taints based on that scope. A combination of kernel and FW can
> +enforce that RPCs are placed in the correct scope by user space.
> +
> +Denied behavior
> +---------------
> +
> +There are many things this interface must not allow user space to do (without a
> +Taint or CAP), broadly derived from the principles of kernel lockdown. Some
> +examples:
> +
> + 1. DMA to/from arbitrary memory, hang the system, compromise FW integrity with
> +    untrusted code, or otherwise compromise device or system security and
> +    integrity.
> +
> + 2. Provide an abnormal “back door” to kernel drivers. No manipulation of kernel
> +    objects owned by kernel drivers.
> +
> + 3. Directly configure or otherwise control kernel drivers. A subsystem kernel
> +    driver can react to the device configuration at function reset/driver load
> +    time, but otherwise must not be coupled to fwctl.
> +
> + 4. Operate the HW in a way that overlaps with the core purpose of another
> +    primary kernel subsystem, such as read/write to LBAs, send/receive of
> +    network packets, or operate an accelerator's data plane.
> +
> +fwctl is not a replacement for device direct access subsystems like uacce or
> +VFIO.
> +
> +Operations exposed through fwctl's non-taining interfaces should be fully
> +sharable with other users of the device. For instance exposing a RPC through
> +fwctl should never prevent a kernel subsystem from also concurrently using that
> +same RPC or hardware unit down the road. In such cases fwctl will be less
> +important than proper kernel subsystems that eventually emerge. Mistakes in this
> +area resulting in clashes will be resolved in favour of a kernel implementation.
> +
> +fwctl User API
> +==============
> +
> +.. kernel-doc:: include/uapi/fwctl/fwctl.h
> +
> +sysfs Class
> +-----------
> +
> +fwctl has a sysfs class (/sys/class/fwctl/fwctlNN/) and character devices
> +(/dev/fwctl/fwctlNN) with a simple numbered scheme. The character device
> +operates the iotcl uAPI described above.
> +
> +fwctl devices can be related to driver components in other subsystems through
> +sysfs::
> +
> +    $ ls /sys/class/fwctl/fwctl0/device/infiniband/
> +    ibp0s10f0
> +
> +    $ ls /sys/class/infiniband/ibp0s10f0/device/fwctl/
> +    fwctl0/
> +
> +    $ ls /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0a.0/fwctl/fwctl0
> +    dev  device  power  subsystem  uevent
> +
> +User space Community
> +--------------------
> +
> +Drawing inspiration from nvme-cli, participating in the kernel side must come
> +with a user space in a common TBD git tree, at a minimum to usefully operate the
> +kernel driver. Providing such an implementation is a pre-condition to merging a
> +kernel driver.
> +
> +The goal is to build user space community around some of the shared problems
> +we all have, and ideally develop some common user space programs with some
> +starting themes of:
> +
> + - Device in-field debugging
> +
> + - HW provisioning
> +
> + - VFIO child device profiling before VM boot
> +
> + - Confidential Compute topics (attestation, secure provisioning)
> +
> +that stretch across all subsystems in the kernel. fwupd is a great example of
> +how an excellent user space experience can emerge out of kernel-side diversity.
> +
> +fwctl Kernel API
> +================
> +
> +.. kernel-doc:: drivers/fwctl/main.c
> +   :export:
> +.. kernel-doc:: include/linux/fwctl.h
> +
> +fwctl Driver design
> +-------------------
> +
> +In many cases a fwctl driver is going to be part of a larger cross-subsystem
> +device possibly using the auxiliary_device mechanism. In that case several
> +subsystems are going to be sharing the same device and FW interface layer so the
> +device design must already provide for isolation and cooperation between kernel
> +subsystems. fwctl should fit into that same model.
> +
> +Part of the driver should include a description of how its scope restrictions
> +and security model work. The driver and FW together must ensure that RPCs
> +provided by user space are mapped to the appropriate scope. If the validation is
> +done in the driver then the validation can read a 'command effects' report from
> +the device, or hardwire the enforcement. If the validation is done in the FW,
> +then the driver should pass the fwctl_rpc_scope to the FW along with the command.
> +
> +The driver and FW must cooperate to ensure that either fwctl cannot allocate
> +any FW resources, or any resources it does allocate are freed on FD closure.  A
> +driver primarily constructed around FW RPCs may find that its core PCI function
> +and RPC layer belongs under fwctl with auxiliary devices connecting to other
> +subsystems.
> +
> +Each device type must be mindful of Linux's philosophy for stable ABI. The FW
> +RPC interface does not have to meet a strictly stable ABI, but it does need to
> +meet an expectation that userspace tools that are deployed and in significant
> +use don't needlessly break. FW upgrade and kernel upgrade should keep widely
> +deployed tooling working.
> +
> +Development and debugging focused RPCs under more permissive scopes can have
> +less stabilitiy if the tools using them are only run under exceptional
> +circumstances and not for every day use of the device. Debugging tools may even
> +require exact version matching as they may require something similar to DWARF
> +debug information from the FW binary.
> +
> +Security Response
> +=================
> +
> +The kernel remains the gatekeeper for this interface. If violations of the
> +scopes, security or isolation principles are found, we have options to let
> +devices fix them with a FW update, push a kernel patch to parse and block RPC
> +commands or push a kernel patch to block entire firmware versions/devices.
> +
> +While the kernel can always directly parse and restrict RPCs, it is expected
> +that the existing kernel pattern of allowing drivers to delegate validation to
> +FW to be a useful design.
> +
> +Existing Similar Examples
> +=========================
> +
> +The approach described in this document is not a new idea. Direct, or near
> +direct device access has been offered by the kernel in different areas for
> +decades. With more devices wanting to follow this design pattern it is becoming
> +clear that it is not entirely well understood and, more importantly, the
> +security considerations are not well defined or agreed upon.
> +
> +Some examples:
> +
> + - HW RAID controllers. This includes RPCs to do things like compose drives into
> +   a RAID volume, configure RAID parameters, monitor the HW and more.
> +
> + - Baseboard managers. RPCs for configuring settings in the device and more
> +
> + - NVMe vendor command capsules. nvme-cli provides access to some monitoring
> +   functions that different products have defined, but more exist.
> +
> + - CXL also has a NVMe-like vendor command system.
> +
> + - DRM allows user space drivers to send commands to the device via kernel
> +   mediation
> +
> + - RDMA allows user space drivers to directly push commands to the device
> +   without kernel involvement
> +
> + - Various “raw” APIs, raw HID (SDL2), raw USB, NVMe Generic Interface, etc.
> +
> +The first 4 are examples of areas that fwctl intends to cover. The latter three
> +are examples of denied behavior as they fully overlap with the primary purpose
> +of a kernel subsystem.
> +
> +Some key lessons learned from these past efforts are the importance of having a
> +common user space project to use as a pre-condition for obtaining a kernel
> +driver. Developing good community around useful software in user space is key to
> +getting companies to fund participation to enable their products.

The doc looks good, thanks!

Reviewed-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-15  2:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-28  0:26 [PATCH v5 0/8] Introduce fwctl subystem Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-28  0:26 ` [PATCH v5 1/8] fwctl: Add basic structure for a class subsystem with a cdev Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-28  0:26 ` [PATCH v5 2/8] fwctl: Basic ioctl dispatch for the character device Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-28  0:26 ` [PATCH v5 3/8] fwctl: FWCTL_INFO to return basic information about the device Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-28  0:26 ` [PATCH v5 4/8] taint: Add TAINT_FWCTL Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-28  0:26 ` [PATCH v5 5/8] fwctl: FWCTL_RPC to execute a Remote Procedure Call to device firmware Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-28  0:26 ` [PATCH v5 6/8] fwctl: Add documentation Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-15  2:53   ` Bagas Sanjaya [this message]
2025-02-28  0:26 ` [PATCH v5 7/8] fwctl/mlx5: Support for communicating with mlx5 fw Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-02 12:11   ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-04 17:50     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-28  0:26 ` [PATCH v5 8/8] mlx5: Create an auxiliary device for fwctl_mlx5 Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-02 12:09   ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-04  1:53 ` [PATCH v5 0/8] Introduce fwctl subystem Jakub Kicinski
2025-03-04 14:00   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-04 17:59     ` Saeed Mahameed
2025-03-05  0:42     ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-03-05 13:32       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-05 13:43         ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-05 15:08         ` Jiri Pirko
2025-03-05 15:22           ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-05 15:56             ` Jiri Pirko
2025-03-05 18:17           ` David Ahern
2025-03-05 18:28             ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-05 20:41               ` Saeed Mahameed
2025-03-05 23:21                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-06  7:29                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-11 11:23                   ` David Ahern
2025-03-11 13:59                     ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-12  9:31                       ` David Ahern
2025-03-12 10:34                         ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-03-14 22:34                           ` David Ahern
2025-03-16  7:34                             ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-03-17 12:30                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-11 14:27                     ` Nelson, Shannon
2025-03-13 12:30               ` David Ahern
2025-03-13 12:48                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-13 19:59                   ` Nelson, Shannon
2025-03-14  5:37                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-03-14 18:39                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-14 18:09                     ` Jacob Keller
2025-03-17 12:33                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-17 19:00                         ` David Ahern
2025-03-17 20:33                           ` Keller, Jacob E
2025-03-18 13:20                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-03-18 13:25                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-18 15:39                                 ` Dave Jiang
2025-03-18 16:06                                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-03-19  5:48                                     ` Przemek Kitszel
2025-03-19  8:14                                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-19 10:46                                         ` Przemek Kitszel
2025-03-19 11:22                                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-19  8:17                                     ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-18 22:07                                 ` Keller, Jacob E
2025-03-06  2:16         ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-03-20 23:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe

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