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From: Hangbin Liu <liuhangbin@gmail.com>
To: Nicolas Dichtel <nicolas.dichtel@6wind.com>
Cc: David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, "David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Ido Schimmel <idosch@idosch.org>,
	Thomas Haller <thaller@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] ipv6: do not merge differe type and protocol routes
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 18:14:13 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZPBn9RQUL5mS/bBx@Laptop-X1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <db56de33-2112-5a4c-af94-6c8d26a8bfc1@6wind.com>

Hi Nicolas,
On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 10:17:19AM +0200, Nicolas Dichtel wrote:
> >>> So let's skip counting the different type and protocol routes as siblings.
> >>> After update, the different type/protocol routes will not be merged.
> >>>
> >>> + ip -6 route show table 100
> >>> local 2001:db8:103::/64 via 2001:db8:101::10 dev dummy1 metric 1024 pref medium
> >>> 2001:db8:103::/64 via 2001:db8:101::10 dev dummy2 metric 1024 pref medium
> >>>
> >>> + ip -6 route show table 200
> >>> 2001:db8:104::/64 via 2001:db8:101::10 dev dummy1 proto kernel metric 1024 pref medium
> >>> 2001:db8:104::/64 via 2001:db8:101::10 dev dummy2 proto bgp metric 1024 pref medium
> >>
> >> This seems wrong. The goal of 'ip route append' is to add a next hop, not to
> >> create a new route. Ok, it adds a new route if no route exists, but it seems
> >> wrong to me to use it by default, instead of 'add', to make things work magically.
> > 
> > Legacy API; nothing can be done about that (ie., that append makes a new
> > route when none exists).
> > 
> >>
> >> It seems more correct to return an error in these cases, but this will change
> >> the uapi and it may break existing setups.
> >>
> >> Before this patch, both next hops could be used by the kernel. After it, one
> >> route will be ignored (the former or the last one?). This is confusing and also
> >> seems wrong.
> > 
> > Append should match all details of a route to add to an existing entry
> > and make it multipath. If there is a difference (especially the type -
> > protocol difference is arguable) in attributes, then they are different
> > routes.
> > 
> 
> As you said, the protocol difference is arguable. It's not a property of the
> route, just a hint.
> I think the 'append' should match a route whatever the protocol is.
> 'ip route change' for example does not use the protocol to find the existing
> route, it will update it:
> 
> $ ip -6 route add 2003:1:2:3::/64 via 2001::2 dev eth1
> $ ip -6 route
> 2003:1:2:3::/64 via 2001::2 dev eth1 metric 1024 pref medium
> $ ip -6 route change 2003:1:2:3::/64 via 2001::2 dev eth1 protocol bgp
> $ ip -6 route
> 2003:1:2:3::/64 via 2001::2 dev eth1 proto bgp metric 1024 pref medium
> $ ip -6 route change 2003:1:2:3::/64 via 2001::2 dev eth1 protocol kernel
> $ ip -6 route
> 2003:1:2:3::/64 via 2001::2 dev eth1 proto kernel metric 1024 pref medium

Not sure if I understand correctly, `ip route replace` should able to
replace all other field other than dest and dev. It's for changing the route,
not only nexthop.
> 
> Why would 'append' selects route differently?

The append should also works for a single route, not only for append nexthop, no?

> 
> This patch breaks the legacy API.

As the patch's description. Who would expect different type/protocol route
should be merged as multipath route? I don't think the old API is correct.

Thanks
Hangbin

  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-31 10:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-30  6:15 [PATCH net-next] ipv6: do not merge differe type and protocol routes Hangbin Liu
2023-08-30 14:49 ` David Ahern
2023-08-30 23:51   ` Hangbin Liu
2023-08-30 15:29 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2023-08-30 18:57   ` David Ahern
2023-08-31  8:17     ` Nicolas Dichtel
2023-08-31 10:14       ` Hangbin Liu [this message]
2023-08-31 11:58         ` Nicolas Dichtel
2023-08-31 18:27           ` David Ahern
2023-09-01  9:36             ` Nicolas Dichtel
2023-09-15  2:23               ` Hangbin Liu
2023-09-15  3:08                 ` David Ahern
2023-09-15 10:02                   ` Hangbin Liu
2023-09-01  3:58           ` Hangbin Liu
2023-09-01  9:50             ` Nicolas Dichtel
2023-09-15  3:49               ` Hangbin Liu
2023-09-15 15:58                 ` Nicolas Dichtel
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-08-30  6:16 Hangbin Liu
2023-08-30  9:37 ` Hangbin Liu
2023-08-30  9:48   ` Hangbin Liu

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