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From: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com>
To: Mina Almasry <almasrymina@google.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Jesper Dangaard Brouer" <hawk@kernel.org>,
	"Ilias Apalodimas" <ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"David Ahern" <dsahern@kernel.org>,
	"Willem de Bruijn" <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>,
	"Shuah Khan" <shuah@kernel.org>,
	"Sumit Semwal" <sumit.semwal@linaro.org>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"Shakeel Butt" <shakeelb@google.com>,
	"Jeroen de Borst" <jeroendb@google.com>,
	"Praveen Kaligineedi" <pkaligineedi@google.com>,
	"Willem de Bruijn" <willemb@google.com>,
	"Kaiyuan Zhang" <kaiyuanz@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 10/12] tcp: RX path for devmem TCP
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2023 13:17:59 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZUlYB99GK1Q8is-I@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHS8izNFv7r6vqYR_TYqcCuDO61F+nnNMhsSu=DrYWSr3sVgrA@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/06, Mina Almasry wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 10:44 AM Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 11/05, Mina Almasry wrote:
> > > In tcp_recvmsg_locked(), detect if the skb being received by the user
> > > is a devmem skb. In this case - if the user provided the MSG_SOCK_DEVMEM
> > > flag - pass it to tcp_recvmsg_devmem() for custom handling.
> > >
> > > tcp_recvmsg_devmem() copies any data in the skb header to the linear
> > > buffer, and returns a cmsg to the user indicating the number of bytes
> > > returned in the linear buffer.
> > >
> > > tcp_recvmsg_devmem() then loops over the unaccessible devmem skb frags,
> > > and returns to the user a cmsg_devmem indicating the location of the
> > > data in the dmabuf device memory. cmsg_devmem contains this information:
> > >
> > > 1. the offset into the dmabuf where the payload starts. 'frag_offset'.
> > > 2. the size of the frag. 'frag_size'.
> > > 3. an opaque token 'frag_token' to return to the kernel when the buffer
> > > is to be released.
> > >
> > > The pages awaiting freeing are stored in the newly added
> > > sk->sk_user_pages, and each page passed to userspace is get_page()'d.
> > > This reference is dropped once the userspace indicates that it is
> > > done reading this page.  All pages are released when the socket is
> > > destroyed.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>
> > > Signed-off-by: Kaiyuan Zhang <kaiyuanz@google.com>
> > > Signed-off-by: Mina Almasry <almasrymina@google.com>
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > > RFC v3:
> > > - Fixed issue with put_cmsg() failing silently.
> > >
> > > ---
> > >  include/linux/socket.h            |   1 +
> > >  include/net/page_pool/helpers.h   |   9 ++
> > >  include/net/sock.h                |   2 +
> > >  include/uapi/asm-generic/socket.h |   5 +
> > >  include/uapi/linux/uio.h          |   6 +
> > >  net/ipv4/tcp.c                    | 189 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
> > >  net/ipv4/tcp_ipv4.c               |   7 ++
> > >  7 files changed, 214 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/include/linux/socket.h b/include/linux/socket.h
> > > index cfcb7e2c3813..fe2b9e2081bb 100644
> > > --- a/include/linux/socket.h
> > > +++ b/include/linux/socket.h
> > > @@ -326,6 +326,7 @@ struct ucred {
> > >                                         * plain text and require encryption
> > >                                         */
> > >
> > > +#define MSG_SOCK_DEVMEM 0x2000000    /* Receive devmem skbs as cmsg */
> >
> > Sharing the feedback that I've been providing internally on the public list:
> >
> 
> There may have been a miscommunication. I don't recall hearing this
> specific feedback from you, at least in the last few months. Sorry if
> it seemed like I'm ignoring feedback :)

No worries, there was a thread long time ago about this whole token
interface and whether it should support out-of-order refills, etc.

> > IMHO, we need a better UAPI to receive the tokens and give them back to
> > the kernel. CMSG + setsockopt(SO_DEVMEM_DONTNEED) get the job done,
> > but look dated and hacky :-(
> >
> > We should either do some kind of user/kernel shared memory queue to
> > receive/return the tokens (similar to what Jonathan was doing in his
> > proposal?)
> 
> I'll take a look at Jonathan's proposal, sorry, I'm not immediately
> familiar but I wanted to respond :-) But is the suggestion here to
> build a new kernel-user communication channel primitive for the
> purpose of passing the information in the devmem cmsg? IMHO that seems
> like an overkill. Why add 100-200 lines of code to the kernel to add
> something that can already be done with existing primitives? I don't
> see anything concretely wrong with cmsg & setsockopt approach, and if
> we switch to something I'd prefer to switch to an existing primitive
> for simplicity?
> 
> The only other existing primitive to pass data outside of the linear
> buffer is the MSG_ERRQUEUE that is used for zerocopy. Is that
> preferred? Any other suggestions or existing primitives I'm not aware
> of?

I guess I'm just wondering whether other people have any suggestions
here. Not sure Jonathan's way was better, but we fundamentally
have two queues between the kernel and the userspace:
- userspace receiving tokens (recvmsg + magical flag)
- userspace refilling tokens (setsockopt + magical flag)

So having some kind of shared memory producer-consumer queue feels natural.
And using 'classic' socket api here feels like a stretch, idk.

But maybe I'm overthinking and overcomplicating :-)

> > or bite the bullet and switch to io_uring.
> >
> 
> IMO io_uring & socket support are orthogonal, and one doesn't preclude
> the other. As you know we like to use sockets and I believe there are
> issues with io_uring adoption at Google that I'm not familiar with
> (and could be wrong). I'm interested in exploring io_uring support as
> a follow up but I think David Wei will be interested in io_uring
> support as well anyway.

Ack, might be one more reason on our side to adopt iouring :-p

> > I was also suggesting to do it via netlink initially, but it's probably
> > a bit slow for these purpose, idk.
> 
> Yeah, I hear netlink is reserved for control paths and is
> inappropriate for data path, but I'll let folks correct me if wrong.
> 
> -- 
> Thanks,
> Mina

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-11-06 21:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-06  2:43 [RFC PATCH v3 00/12] Device Memory TCP Mina Almasry
2023-11-06  2:44 ` [RFC PATCH v3 01/12] net: page_pool: factor out releasing DMA from releasing the page Mina Almasry
2023-11-06  2:44 ` [RFC PATCH v3 02/12] net: page_pool: create hooks for custom page providers Mina Almasry
2023-11-07  7:44   ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-09 11:09   ` Paolo Abeni
2023-11-10 23:19   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-11-13  3:28     ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-13 22:10       ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-11-06  2:44 ` [RFC PATCH v3 03/12] net: netdev netlink api to bind dma-buf to a net device Mina Almasry
2023-11-10 23:16   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-11-06  2:44 ` [RFC PATCH v3 04/12] netdev: support binding dma-buf to netdevice Mina Almasry
2023-11-07  7:46   ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-07 21:59     ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-08  3:40       ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-09  2:22         ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-09  9:29           ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-08 23:47   ` David Wei
2023-11-09  2:25     ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-09  8:29   ` Paolo Abeni
2023-11-10  2:59     ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-10  7:38       ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-10  9:45         ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-10 23:19   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-11-11  2:19     ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-06  2:44 ` [RFC PATCH v3 05/12] netdev: netdevice devmem allocator Mina Almasry
2023-11-06 23:44   ` David Ahern
2023-11-07 22:10     ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-07 22:55       ` David Ahern
2023-11-07 23:03         ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-09  1:15           ` David Wei
2023-11-10 14:26           ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-11-11 17:19             ` David Ahern
2023-11-14 16:09               ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-11-09  1:00         ` David Wei
2023-11-08  3:48       ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-09  1:41         ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-07  7:45   ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-09  8:44   ` Paolo Abeni
2023-11-06  2:44 ` [RFC PATCH v3 06/12] memory-provider: dmabuf devmem memory provider Mina Almasry
2023-11-06 21:02   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-11-06 23:49   ` David Ahern
2023-11-08  0:02     ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-08  0:10       ` David Ahern
2023-11-10 23:16   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-11-13  4:54     ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-06  2:44 ` [RFC PATCH v3 07/12] page-pool: device memory support Mina Almasry
2023-11-07  8:00   ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-07 21:56     ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-08 10:56       ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-09  3:20         ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-09  9:30           ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-09 12:20             ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-09 13:23               ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-09  9:01   ` Paolo Abeni
2023-11-06  2:44 ` [RFC PATCH v3 08/12] net: support non paged skb frags Mina Almasry
2023-11-07  9:00   ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-07 21:19     ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-08 11:25       ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-11-09  9:14   ` Paolo Abeni
2023-11-10  4:06     ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-10 23:19   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-11-13  6:05     ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-13 22:17       ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-11-06  2:44 ` [RFC PATCH v3 09/12] net: add support for skbs with unreadable frags Mina Almasry
2023-11-06 18:47   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-11-06 19:34     ` David Ahern
2023-11-06 20:31       ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-06 21:59         ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-11-06 22:18           ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-06 22:59             ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-11-06 23:27               ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-06 23:55                 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-11-07  0:07                   ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-11-07  0:14                     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-11-07  0:59                       ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-11-07  2:23                         ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-11-07 17:44                           ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-11-07 17:57                             ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-11-07 18:14                               ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-11-07  0:20                     ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-07  1:06                       ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-11-07 19:53                         ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-07 21:05                           ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-11-07 21:17                             ` Eric Dumazet
2023-11-07 22:23                               ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-11-10 23:17                                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-11-10 23:19                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-11-07  1:09                       ` David Ahern
2023-11-06 23:37             ` David Ahern
2023-11-07  0:03               ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-06 20:56   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-11-07  0:16   ` David Ahern
2023-11-07  0:23     ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-08 14:43   ` David Laight
2023-11-06  2:44 ` [RFC PATCH v3 10/12] tcp: RX path for devmem TCP Mina Almasry
2023-11-06 18:44   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-11-06 19:29     ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-06 21:14       ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-11-06 22:34         ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-11-06 22:55           ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-11-06 23:32             ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-11-06 23:55               ` David Ahern
2023-11-07  0:02                 ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-11-07 23:55                   ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-08  0:01                     ` David Ahern
2023-11-09  2:39                       ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-09 16:07                         ` Edward Cree
2023-12-08 20:12                           ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-11-09 11:05             ` Paolo Abeni
2023-11-10 23:16               ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-12-08 20:28             ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-12-08 20:09           ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-11-06 21:17       ` Stanislav Fomichev [this message]
2023-11-08 15:36         ` Edward Cree
2023-11-09 10:52   ` Paolo Abeni
2023-11-10 23:19   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-11-06  2:44 ` [RFC PATCH v3 11/12] net: add SO_DEVMEM_DONTNEED setsockopt to release RX pages Mina Almasry
2023-11-06  2:44 ` [RFC PATCH v3 12/12] selftests: add ncdevmem, netcat for devmem TCP Mina Almasry
2023-11-09 11:03   ` Paolo Abeni
2023-11-10 23:13   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-11-11  2:27     ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-11  2:35       ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-11-13  4:08         ` Mina Almasry
2023-11-13 22:20           ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-11-10 23:17   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-11-07 15:18 ` [RFC PATCH v3 00/12] Device Memory TCP David Ahern

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