From: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com>
To: Amery Hung <ameryhung@gmail.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
yangpeihao@sjtu.edu.cn, toke@redhat.com, jhs@mojatatu.com,
jiri@resnulli.us, xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com,
yepeilin.cs@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v7 0/8] net_sched: Introduce eBPF based Qdisc
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 13:13:33 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZbAr_dWoRnjbvv04@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1705432850.git.amery.hung@bytedance.com>
On 01/17, Amery Hung wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am continuing the work of ebpf-based Qdisc based on Cong’s previous
> RFC. The followings are some use cases of eBPF Qdisc:
>
> 1. Allow customizing Qdiscs in an easier way. So that people don't
> have to write a complete Qdisc kernel module just to experiment
> some new queuing theory.
>
> 2. Solve EDT's problem. EDT calcuates the "tokens" in clsact which
> is before enqueue, it is impossible to adjust those "tokens" after
> packets get dropped in enqueue. With eBPF Qdisc, it is easy to
> be solved with a shared map between clsact and sch_bpf.
>
> 3. Replace qevents, as now the user gains much more control over the
> skb and queues.
>
> 4. Provide a new way to reuse TC filters. Currently TC relies on filter
> chain and block to reuse the TC filters, but they are too complicated
> to understand. With eBPF helper bpf_skb_tc_classify(), we can invoke
> TC filters on _any_ Qdisc (even on a different netdev) to do the
> classification.
>
> 5. Potentially pave a way for ingress to queue packets, although
> current implementation is still only for egress.
>
> I’ve combed through previous comments and appreciated the feedbacks.
> Some major changes in this RFC is the use of kptr to skb to maintain
> the validility of skb during its lifetime in the Qdisc, dropping rbtree
> maps, and the inclusion of two examples.
>
> Some questions for discussion:
>
> 1. We now pass a trusted kptr of sk_buff to the program instead of
> __sk_buff. This makes most helpers using __sk_buff incompatible
> with eBPF qdisc. An alternative is to still use __sk_buff in the
> context and use bpf_cast_to_kern_ctx() to acquire the kptr. However,
> this can only be applied to enqueue program, since in dequeue program
> skbs do not come from ctx but kptrs exchanged out of maps (i.e., there
> is no __sk_buff). Any suggestion for making skb kptr and helper
> functions compatible?
>
> 2. The current patchset uses netlink. Do we also want to use bpf_link
> for attachment?
[..]
> 3. People have suggested struct_ops. We chose not to use struct_ops since
> users might want to create multiple bpf qdiscs with different
> implementations. Current struct_ops attachment model does not seem
> to support replacing only functions of a specific instance of a module,
> but I might be wrong.
I still feel like it deserves at leasta try. Maybe we can find some potential
path where struct_ops can allow different implementations (Martin probably
has some ideas about that). I looked at the bpf qdisc itself and it doesn't
really have anything complicated (besides trying to play nicely with other
tc classes/actions, but I'm not sure how relevant that is).
With struct_ops you can also get your (2) addressed.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-01-23 21:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-01-17 21:56 [RFC PATCH v7 0/8] net_sched: Introduce eBPF based Qdisc Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 1/8] " Amery Hung
2024-01-23 23:51 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-01-24 5:22 ` Amery Hung
2024-01-26 2:22 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-01-27 1:17 ` Amery Hung
2024-01-30 6:39 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-01-30 17:49 ` Kui-Feng Lee
2024-01-31 1:01 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-01-31 16:49 ` Kui-Feng Lee
2024-01-31 16:59 ` Amery Hung
2024-01-31 16:23 ` Amery Hung
2024-02-02 1:47 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-02-09 20:14 ` Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 2/8] net_sched: Add kfuncs for working with skb Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 3/8] net_sched: Introduce kfunc bpf_skb_tc_classify() Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 4/8] net_sched: Add reset program Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 5/8] net_sched: Add init program Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 6/8] tools/libbpf: Add support for BPF_PROG_TYPE_QDISC Amery Hung
2024-01-23 0:17 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-23 19:40 ` Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 7/8] samples/bpf: Add an example of bpf fq qdisc Amery Hung
2024-01-24 10:29 ` Daniel Borkmann
2024-01-26 19:49 ` Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 8/8] samples/bpf: Add an example of bpf netem qdisc Amery Hung
2024-01-23 21:13 ` Stanislav Fomichev [this message]
2024-01-24 10:10 ` [RFC PATCH v7 0/8] net_sched: Introduce eBPF based Qdisc Daniel Borkmann
2024-01-24 12:09 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2024-01-24 13:07 ` Daniel Borkmann
2024-01-24 14:11 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2024-01-24 15:26 ` Daniel Borkmann
2024-01-24 21:26 ` Amery Hung
2024-01-25 11:57 ` Daniel Borkmann
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