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From: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com>
To: Amery Hung <ameryhung@gmail.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	yangpeihao@sjtu.edu.cn,  toke@redhat.com, jhs@mojatatu.com,
	jiri@resnulli.us, xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com,
	 yepeilin.cs@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v7 0/8] net_sched: Introduce eBPF based Qdisc
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 13:13:33 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZbAr_dWoRnjbvv04@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1705432850.git.amery.hung@bytedance.com>

On 01/17, Amery Hung wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> I am continuing the work of ebpf-based Qdisc based on Cong’s previous
> RFC. The followings are some use cases of eBPF Qdisc:
> 
> 1. Allow customizing Qdiscs in an easier way. So that people don't
>    have to write a complete Qdisc kernel module just to experiment
>    some new queuing theory.
> 
> 2. Solve EDT's problem. EDT calcuates the "tokens" in clsact which
>    is before enqueue, it is impossible to adjust those "tokens" after
>    packets get dropped in enqueue. With eBPF Qdisc, it is easy to
>    be solved with a shared map between clsact and sch_bpf.
> 
> 3. Replace qevents, as now the user gains much more control over the
>    skb and queues.
> 
> 4. Provide a new way to reuse TC filters. Currently TC relies on filter
>    chain and block to reuse the TC filters, but they are too complicated
>    to understand. With eBPF helper bpf_skb_tc_classify(), we can invoke
>    TC filters on _any_ Qdisc (even on a different netdev) to do the
>    classification.
> 
> 5. Potentially pave a way for ingress to queue packets, although
>    current implementation is still only for egress.
> 
> I’ve combed through previous comments and appreciated the feedbacks.
> Some major changes in this RFC is the use of kptr to skb to maintain
> the validility of skb during its lifetime in the Qdisc, dropping rbtree
> maps, and the inclusion of two examples. 
> 
> Some questions for discussion:
> 
> 1. We now pass a trusted kptr of sk_buff to the program instead of
>    __sk_buff. This makes most helpers using __sk_buff incompatible
>    with eBPF qdisc. An alternative is to still use __sk_buff in the
>    context and use bpf_cast_to_kern_ctx() to acquire the kptr. However,
>    this can only be applied to enqueue program, since in dequeue program
>    skbs do not come from ctx but kptrs exchanged out of maps (i.e., there
>    is no __sk_buff). Any suggestion for making skb kptr and helper
>    functions compatible?
> 
> 2. The current patchset uses netlink. Do we also want to use bpf_link
>    for attachment?

[..]

> 3. People have suggested struct_ops. We chose not to use struct_ops since
>    users might want to create multiple bpf qdiscs with different
>    implementations. Current struct_ops attachment model does not seem
>    to support replacing only functions of a specific instance of a module,
>    but I might be wrong.

I still feel like it deserves at leasta try. Maybe we can find some potential
path where struct_ops can allow different implementations (Martin probably
has some ideas about that). I looked at the bpf qdisc itself and it doesn't
really have anything complicated (besides trying to play nicely with other
tc classes/actions, but I'm not sure how relevant that is).

With struct_ops you can also get your (2) addressed.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-01-23 21:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-17 21:56 [RFC PATCH v7 0/8] net_sched: Introduce eBPF based Qdisc Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 1/8] " Amery Hung
2024-01-23 23:51   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-01-24  5:22     ` Amery Hung
2024-01-26  2:22       ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-01-27  1:17         ` Amery Hung
2024-01-30  6:39           ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-01-30 17:49             ` Kui-Feng Lee
2024-01-31  1:01               ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-01-31 16:49                 ` Kui-Feng Lee
2024-01-31 16:59                   ` Amery Hung
2024-01-31 16:23             ` Amery Hung
2024-02-02  1:47               ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-02-09 20:14                 ` Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 2/8] net_sched: Add kfuncs for working with skb Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 3/8] net_sched: Introduce kfunc bpf_skb_tc_classify() Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 4/8] net_sched: Add reset program Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 5/8] net_sched: Add init program Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 6/8] tools/libbpf: Add support for BPF_PROG_TYPE_QDISC Amery Hung
2024-01-23  0:17   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-23 19:40     ` Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 7/8] samples/bpf: Add an example of bpf fq qdisc Amery Hung
2024-01-24 10:29   ` Daniel Borkmann
2024-01-26 19:49     ` Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 8/8] samples/bpf: Add an example of bpf netem qdisc Amery Hung
2024-01-23 21:13 ` Stanislav Fomichev [this message]
2024-01-24 10:10   ` [RFC PATCH v7 0/8] net_sched: Introduce eBPF based Qdisc Daniel Borkmann
2024-01-24 12:09   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2024-01-24 13:07     ` Daniel Borkmann
2024-01-24 14:11       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2024-01-24 15:26         ` Daniel Borkmann
2024-01-24 21:26           ` Amery Hung
2024-01-25 11:57             ` Daniel Borkmann

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