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From: Hangbin Liu <liuhangbin@gmail.com>
To: Jay Vosburgh <jay.vosburgh@canonical.com>
Cc: Nikolay Aleksandrov <razor@blackwall.org>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Andy Gospodarek <andy@greyhouse.net>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>, Ido Schimmel <idosch@nvidia.com>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>, Amit Cohen <amcohen@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv3 net-next] bonding: 3ad: send ifinfo notify when mux state changed
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 11:10:27 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zn4po-wJoFat3CUd@Laptop-X1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1467748.1719498250@famine>

On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 07:24:10AM -0700, Jay Vosburgh wrote:
> Hangbin Liu <liuhangbin@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Ah.. Yes, that's a sad fact :(
> 
> 	There are basically two paths that will change the LACP state
> that's passed up via netlink (the aggregator ID, and actor and partner
> oper port states): bond_3ad_state_machine_handler(), or incoming
> LACPDUs, which call into ad_rx_machine().  Administrative changes to the

Ah, thanks, I didn't notice this. I will also enable lacp notify
in ad_rx_machine().

> bond will do it too, like adding or removing interfaces, but those
> originate in user space and aren't happening asynchronously.
> 
> 	If you want (almost) absolute reliability in communicating every
> state change for the state machine and LACPDU processing, I think you'd
> have to (a) create an object with the changed state, (b) queue it
> somewhere, then (c) call a workqueue event to process that queue out of
> line.

Hmm... This looks too complex. If we store all the states. A frequent flashing
may consume the memory. If we made a limit for the queue, we may still loosing
some state changes.

I'm not sure which way is better.

> 
> >> It all depends on what are the requirements.
> >> 
> >> An uglier but lockless alternative would be to poll the slave's sysfs oper state,
> >> that doesn't require any locks and would be up-to-date.
> >
> >Hmm, that's a workaround, but the admin need to poll the state frequently as
> >they don't know when the state will change.
> >
> >Hi Jay, are you OK to add this sysfs in bonding?
> 
> 	I think what Nik is proposing is for your userspace to poll the
> /sys/class/net/${DEV}/operstate.

OK. There are 2 scenarios I got.

1) the local user want to get the local/partner state and make sure not
send pkts before they are in DISTRIBUTING state to avoid pkts drop, Or vice
versa. Only checking link operstate or up/down status is not enough.

2) the admin want to get the switch/partner status via LACP status incase
the switch is crashed.

Do you have any suggestion for the implementation?

Thanks
Hangbin

  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-28  3:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-26  7:51 [PATCHv3 net-next] bonding: 3ad: send ifinfo notify when mux state changed Hangbin Liu
2024-06-26  8:22 ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2024-06-26 15:30 ` Jay Vosburgh
2024-06-26 21:53 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-27  0:06   ` Jay Vosburgh
2024-06-27  8:26     ` Hangbin Liu
2024-06-27  8:29       ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2024-06-27 10:05         ` Hangbin Liu
2024-06-27 10:33           ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2024-06-27 13:17             ` Hangbin Liu
2024-06-27 14:12               ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2024-06-27 14:24               ` Jay Vosburgh
2024-06-28  3:10                 ` Hangbin Liu [this message]
2024-06-28  7:04                   ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2024-06-28  7:22                     ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2024-06-28  9:55                       ` Hangbin Liu
2024-06-28 23:36                         ` Jay Vosburgh
2024-07-02  8:00                           ` Hangbin Liu
2024-07-11  3:12                             ` Hangbin Liu
2024-07-19  6:45                               ` Hangbin Liu
2024-07-29  7:43                                 ` Hangbin Liu

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