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From: Sabrina Dubroca <sd@queasysnail.net>
To: Antonio Quartulli <antonio@openvpn.net>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, kuba@kernel.org, ryazanov.s.a@gmail.com,
	pabeni@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com, andrew@lunn.ch
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v5 22/25] ovpn: kill key and notify userspace in case of IV exhaustion
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:26:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZpfGgHOqgSc9vOnx@hog> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b631abf1-b390-45fb-b463-ac49fec0fdfe@openvpn.net>

2024-07-17, 13:03:11 +0200, Antonio Quartulli wrote:
> On 17/07/2024 12:42, Sabrina Dubroca wrote:
> > I don't see any way for userspace to know the current IV state (no
> > notification for when the packetid gets past some threshold, and
> > pid_xmit isn't getting dumped via netlink), so no chance for userspace
> > to swap keys early and avoid running out of IVs. And then, since we
> > don't have a usable primary key anymore, we will have to drop packets
> > until userspace tells the kernel to swap the keys (or possibly install
> > a secondary).
> > 
> > Am I missing something in the kernel/userspace interaction?
> 
> There are two events triggering userspace to generate a new key:
> 1) time based
> 2) packet count based
> 
> 1) is easy: after X seconds/minutes generate a new key and send it to the
> kernel. It's obviously based on guestimate and normally our default works
> well.
> 
> 2) after X packets/bytes generate a new key. Here userspace keeps track of
> the amount of traffic by periodically polling GET_PEER and fetching the
> VPN/LINK stats.

Oh right, that's what I was missing. TX packet count should be
equivalent to packetid. Thanks.


> A future improvement could be to have ovpn proactively notifying userspace
> after reaching a certain threshold, but for now this mechanism does not
> exist.

If it's not there from the start, you won't be able to rely on it
(because the userspace client may run on a kernel that does not
provide the notification), so you would still have to fetch the stats,
unless you have a way to poll for the threshold notification feature
being present.


> I hope it helps.

Yup, thanks. Can you add this explanation to the commit message for
this patch in the next version? Documenting a bit the expectations of
the kernel/userspace interactions would be helpful, also for the
sequencing of key installation/key swap operations. I'm guessing it
goes something like this:

 1. client sets up a primary key (key#1) and uses it
 2. at some point, it sets up a secondary key (key#2)
 3. later, keys are swapped (key#2 is now primary)
 4. after some more time, the secondary (key#1) is removed and a new
    secondary (key#3) is installed
 [steps 3 and 4 keep repeating]

And from reading patch 21, both the TX and RX key seem to be changed
together (swap and delete operate on the whole keyslot, and set
requires both the ENCRYPT_DIR and DECRYPT_DIR attributes).

A rough description of the overall life of a client (opening sockets
and setting up the ovpn device/peers) could also be useful alongside
the code.

-- 
Sabrina


  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-17 13:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-27 13:08 [PATCH net-next v5 00/25] Introducing OpenVPN Data Channel Offload Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 01/25] netlink: add NLA_POLICY_MAX_LEN macro Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 02/25] rtnetlink: don't crash on unregister if no dellink exists Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 03/25] net: introduce OpenVPN Data Channel Offload (ovpn) Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 04/25] ovpn: add basic netlink support Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 05/25] ovpn: add basic interface creation/destruction/management routines Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-28 22:11   ` Sabrina Dubroca
2024-07-01  8:48     ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 06/25] ovpn: implement interface creation/destruction via netlink Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-03 21:27   ` Sabrina Dubroca
2024-07-03 21:44     ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 07/25] ovpn: keep carrier always on Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 16:25   ` Andrew Lunn
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 08/25] ovpn: introduce the ovpn_peer object Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-03 21:37   ` Sabrina Dubroca
2024-07-03 22:16     ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 09/25] ovpn: introduce the ovpn_socket object Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 10/25] ovpn: implement basic TX path (UDP) Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-18 10:07   ` Sabrina Dubroca
2024-07-18 10:16     ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 11/25] ovpn: implement basic RX " Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-08 16:11   ` Sabrina Dubroca
2024-07-08 22:09     ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 12/25] ovpn: implement packet processing Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-09  8:51   ` Sabrina Dubroca
2024-07-10 11:38     ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 13/25] ovpn: store tunnel and transport statistics Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 14/25] ovpn: implement TCP transport Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-15  9:59   ` Sabrina Dubroca
2024-07-18 10:13     ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 15/25] ovpn: implement multi-peer support Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-15 10:40   ` Sabrina Dubroca
2024-07-17 14:05     ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 16/25] ovpn: implement peer lookup logic Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-15 13:11   ` Sabrina Dubroca
2024-07-17 14:07     ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 17/25] ovpn: implement keepalive mechanism Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-15 14:44   ` Sabrina Dubroca
2024-07-17 15:30     ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-17 16:19       ` Eyal Birger
2024-07-18  8:20         ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-17 20:40       ` Sabrina Dubroca
2024-07-18  8:22         ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-18  2:01       ` Andrew Lunn
2024-07-18  7:46         ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-19  3:31           ` Andrew Lunn
2024-07-19  8:59             ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 18/25] ovpn: add support for updating local UDP endpoint Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 19/25] ovpn: add support for peer floating Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-17 17:15   ` Sabrina Dubroca
2024-07-18  9:37     ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-18 11:12       ` Sabrina Dubroca
2024-07-18 13:21         ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 20/25] ovpn: implement peer add/dump/delete via netlink Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-16 13:41   ` Sabrina Dubroca
2024-07-17 14:04     ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-17 15:37       ` Sabrina Dubroca
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 21/25] ovpn: implement key add/del/swap " Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-17 17:17   ` Sabrina Dubroca
2024-07-18  8:29     ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 22/25] ovpn: kill key and notify userspace in case of IV exhaustion Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-17 10:42   ` Sabrina Dubroca
2024-07-17 11:03     ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-17 13:26       ` Sabrina Dubroca [this message]
2024-07-17 13:38         ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 23/25] ovpn: notify userspace when a peer is deleted Antonio Quartulli
2024-07-17 10:54   ` Sabrina Dubroca
2024-07-17 11:16     ` Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 24/25] ovpn: add basic ethtool support Antonio Quartulli
2024-06-27 16:25   ` Andrew Lunn
2024-06-27 13:08 ` [PATCH net-next v5 25/25] testing/selftest: add test tool and scripts for ovpn module Antonio Quartulli

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