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From: "Samudrala, Sridhar" <sridhar.samudrala@intel.com>
To: Siwei Liu <loseweigh@gmail.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, "Brandeburg,
	Jesse" <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@intel.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kubakici@wp.pl>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next v2 2/2] virtio_net: Extend virtio to use VF datapath when available
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 13:05:15 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a8dca7bc-75c8-e21e-a40e-f09d7b47c523@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADGSJ22BsdB-hDb0xebSyWrwDuBJaFACjb26PDoqAd2Ah+tsQg@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/22/2018 12:27 PM, Siwei Liu wrote:
> First off, as mentioned in another thread, the model of stacking up
> virt-bond functionality over virtio seems a wrong direction to me.
> Essentially the migration process would need to carry over all guest
> side configurations previously done on the VF/PT and get them moved to
> the new device being it virtio or VF/PT. Without the help of a new
> upper layer bond driver that enslaves virtio and VF/PT devices
> underneath, virtio will be overloaded with too much specifics being a
> VF/PT backup in the future. I hope you're already aware of the issue
> in longer term and move to that model as soon as possible. See more
> inline.

The idea behind this design is to  provide a low latency datapath to 
virtio_net while
preserving live migration feature without the need for the guest admin 
to configure
a bond between VF and virtio_net.
As this feature is enabled and configured via virtio_net which has a 
back channel to
the hypervisor, adding this functionality to virtio_net looks like a 
reasonable option.

Adding a new driver and a new device requires defining a new interface 
and a channel
between the hypervisor and the VM and if required we may implement that in
future.

>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:58 PM, Sridhar Samudrala
> <sridhar.samudrala@intel.com> wrote:
>> This patch enables virtio_net to switch over to a VF datapath when a VF
>> netdev is present with the same MAC address. The VF datapath is only used
>> for unicast traffic. Broadcasts/multicasts go via virtio datapath so that
>> east-west broadcasts don't use the PCI bandwidth.
> Why not making an this an option/optimization rather than being the
> only means? The problem of east-west broadcast eating PCI bandwidth
> depends on specifics of the (virtual) network setup, while some users
> won't want to lose VF's merits such as latency. Why restricting
> broadcast/multicast xmit to virtio only which potentially regresses
> the performance against raw VF?

I am planning to remove this option when i resubmit the patches.

>
>> It allows live migration
>> of a VM with a direct attached VF without the need to setup a bond/team
>> between a VF and virtio net device in the guest.
>>
>> The hypervisor needs to unplug the VF device from the guest on the source
>> host and reset the MAC filter of the VF to initiate failover of datapath to
>> virtio before starting the migration. After the migration is completed, the
>> destination hypervisor sets the MAC filter on the VF and plugs it back to
>> the guest to switch over to VF datapath.
> Is there a host side patch (planned) for this MAC filter switching
> process? As said in another thread, that simple script won't work for
> macvtap backend.

The host side patch to enable qemu to configure this feature is included 
in this patch
series.
I have been testing this feature using a shell script, but i hope 
someone in the libvirt
community  will extend 'virsh' to handle live migration when this 
feature is supported.

Thanks
Sridhar

  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-22 21:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-12  5:58 [RFC PATCH net-next v2 0/2] Enable virtio to act as a backup for a passthru device Sridhar Samudrala
2018-01-12  5:58 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v2 1/2] virtio_net: Introduce VIRTIO_NET_F_BACKUP feature bit Sridhar Samudrala
2018-01-17 18:15   ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-17 19:02     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-17 19:25       ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-17 19:57         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-17 21:49           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-22 21:31             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-22 23:27               ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-23  0:02                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-01-23  1:37                   ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-23  0:05                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23  0:16                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-01-23  0:47                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23  1:13                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-01-23  1:23                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23 19:21                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-01-23  1:34                   ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-23  2:04                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23  3:36                       ` [virtio-dev] " Alexander Duyck
2018-01-23  5:54                         ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-23 23:01                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-12  5:58 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v2 2/2] virtio_net: Extend virtio to use VF datapath when available Sridhar Samudrala
2018-01-22 20:27   ` Siwei Liu
2018-01-22 21:05     ` Samudrala, Sridhar [this message]
2018-01-23 19:53       ` Laine Stump
2018-01-22 21:41     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-23 20:24       ` Siwei Liu
2018-01-23 22:58         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-26  8:14           ` Siwei Liu
2018-01-26 16:51             ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-26 21:46               ` Siwei Liu
2018-01-26 22:14                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-26 22:47                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-01-26 23:30                     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-27  2:30                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-01-27  5:33                         ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-27  5:58                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2018-01-28 17:35                             ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-28 19:18                               ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-28 20:18                                 ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-28 21:01                                   ` [virtio-dev] " Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-29  0:58                                     ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-28 23:02                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-01-29  4:26                           ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-29 18:24                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-29 20:09                               ` Alexander Duyck
2018-01-23 10:33   ` Jason Wang
2018-01-23 16:03     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-29  3:32       ` Jason Wang
2018-01-26 16:58   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-26 18:15     ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2018-01-12  5:58 ` [RFC PATCH 1/1] qemu: Introduce VIRTIO_NET_F_BACKUP feature bit to virtio_net Sridhar Samudrala

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