From: Stanislav Fomichev <stfomichev@gmail.com>
To: Lorenzo Bianconi <lorenzo@kernel.org>
Cc: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>,
"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
"Jesper Dangaard Brouer" <hawk@kernel.org>,
bpf@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
"Daniel Borkmann" <borkmann@iogearbox.net>,
"Eric Dumazet" <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
sdf@fomichev.me, kernel-team@cloudflare.com,
arthur@arthurfabre.com, jakub@cloudflare.com,
"Magnus Karlsson" <magnus.karlsson@intel.com>,
"Maciej Fijalkowski" <maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next V1 7/7] net: xdp: update documentation for xdp-rx-metadata.rst
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2025 20:40:14 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aEj6nqH85uBe2IlW@mini-arch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aEixEV-nZxb1yjyk@lore-rh-laptop>
On 06/11, Lorenzo Bianconi wrote:
> > Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net> writes:
> >
> [...]
> > >>
> > >> Why not have a new flag for bpf_redirect that transparently stores all
> > >> available metadata? If you care only about the redirect -> skb case.
> > >> Might give us more wiggle room in the future to make it work with
> > >> traits.
> > >
> > > Also q from my side: If I understand the proposal correctly, in order to fully
> > > populate an skb at some point, you have to call all the bpf_xdp_metadata_* kfuncs
> > > to collect the data from the driver descriptors (indirect call), and then yet
> > > again all equivalent bpf_xdp_store_rx_* kfuncs to re-store the data in struct
> > > xdp_rx_meta again. This seems rather costly and once you add more kfuncs with
> > > meta data aren't you better off switching to tc(x) directly so the driver can
> > > do all this natively? :/
> >
> > I agree that the "one kfunc per metadata item" scales poorly. IIRC, the
> > hope was (back when we added the initial HW metadata support) that we
> > would be able to inline them to avoid the function call overhead.
> >
> > That being said, even with half a dozen function calls, that's still a
> > lot less overhead from going all the way to TC(x). The goal of the use
> > case here is to do as little work as possible on the CPU that initially
> > receives the packet, instead moving the network stack processing (and
> > skb allocation) to a different CPU with cpumap.
> >
> > So even if the *total* amount of work being done is a bit higher because
> > of the kfunc overhead, that can still be beneficial because it's split
> > between two (or more) CPUs.
> >
> > I'm sure Jesper has some concrete benchmarks for this lying around
> > somewhere, hopefully he can share those :)
>
> Another possible approach would be to have some utility functions (not kfuncs)
> used to 'store' the hw metadata in the xdp_frame that are executed in each
> driver codebase before performing XDP_REDIRECT. The downside of this approach
> is we need to parse the hw metadata twice if the eBPF program that is bounded
> to the NIC is consuming these info. What do you think?
That's the option I was asking about. I'm assuming we should be able
to reuse existing xmo metadata callbacks for this. We should be able
to hide it from the drivers also hopefully.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-11 3:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-03 17:45 [PATCH bpf-next V1 0/7] xdp: Propagate RX HW hints for XDP_REDIRECTed packets via xdp_frame Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-03 17:45 ` [PATCH bpf-next V1 1/7] net: xdp: Add xdp_rx_meta structure Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-03 17:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next V1 2/7] selftests/bpf: Adjust test for maximum packet size in xdp_do_redirect Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-03 17:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next V1 3/7] net: xdp: Add kfuncs to store hw metadata in xdp_buff Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-16 21:55 ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-06-03 17:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next V1 4/7] net: xdp: Set skb hw metadata from xdp_frame Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-03 17:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next V1 5/7] net: veth: Read xdp metadata from rx_meta struct if available Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-03 17:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next V1 6/7] bpf: selftests: Add rx_meta store kfuncs selftest Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-06 21:57 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-06-06 22:16 ` Lorenzo Bianconi
2025-06-03 17:46 ` [PATCH bpf-next V1 7/7] net: xdp: update documentation for xdp-rx-metadata.rst Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-06 2:45 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-06-10 13:48 ` Daniel Borkmann
2025-06-10 20:12 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2025-06-10 22:26 ` Lorenzo Bianconi
2025-06-11 3:40 ` Stanislav Fomichev [this message]
2025-06-13 10:59 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-16 15:34 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-06-17 16:15 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-17 20:47 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-06-16 12:37 ` Lorenzo Bianconi
2025-06-16 15:45 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-06-16 16:40 ` Lorenzo Bianconi
2025-06-17 11:50 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2025-06-17 14:47 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-17 15:10 ` Performance impact of disabling VLAN offload [was: Re: [PATCH bpf-next V1 7/7] net: xdp: update documentation for xdp-rx-metadata.rst] Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2025-06-19 12:09 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2025-06-19 12:23 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2025-06-13 11:18 ` [PATCH bpf-next V1 7/7] net: xdp: update documentation for xdp-rx-metadata.rst Daniel Borkmann
2025-06-16 11:51 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
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