netdev.vger.kernel.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Maciej Fijalkowski <maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com>
To: Jason Xing <kerneljasonxing@gmail.com>
Cc: Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>, <davem@davemloft.net>,
	<edumazet@google.com>, <kuba@kernel.org>, <bjorn@kernel.org>,
	<magnus.karlsson@intel.com>, <jonathan.lemon@gmail.com>,
	<sdf@fomichev.me>, <ast@kernel.org>, <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	<hawk@kernel.org>, <john.fastabend@gmail.com>, <joe@dama.to>,
	<willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>, <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	<netdev@vger.kernel.org>, Jason Xing <kernelxing@tencent.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v6] net: xsk: introduce XDP_MAX_TX_BUDGET set/getsockopt
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2025 14:29:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aGZ3mJnFSsAxv7z6@boxer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL+tcoDa13Gzdzv7NOSVwWDZV86w7NgJniT1jMqe2FCw1psHFg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 03, 2025 at 04:22:21PM +0800, Jason Xing wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2025 at 4:15 PM Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 6/27/25 1:01 PM, Jason Xing wrote:
> > > From: Jason Xing <kernelxing@tencent.com>
> > >
> > > This patch provides a setsockopt method to let applications leverage to
> > > adjust how many descs to be handled at most in one send syscall. It
> > > mitigates the situation where the default value (32) that is too small
> > > leads to higher frequency of triggering send syscall.
> > >
> > > Considering the prosperity/complexity the applications have, there is no
> > > absolutely ideal suggestion fitting all cases. So keep 32 as its default
> > > value like before.
> > >
> > > The patch does the following things:
> > > - Add XDP_MAX_TX_BUDGET socket option.
> > > - Convert TX_BATCH_SIZE to tx_budget_spent.
> > > - Set tx_budget_spent to 32 by default in the initialization phase as a
> > >   per-socket granular control. 32 is also the min value for
> > >   tx_budget_spent.
> > > - Set the range of tx_budget_spent as [32, xs->tx->nentries].
> > >
> > > The idea behind this comes out of real workloads in production. We use a
> > > user-level stack with xsk support to accelerate sending packets and
> > > minimize triggering syscalls. When the packets are aggregated, it's not
> > > hard to hit the upper bound (namely, 32). The moment user-space stack
> > > fetches the -EAGAIN error number passed from sendto(), it will loop to try
> > > again until all the expected descs from tx ring are sent out to the driver.
> > > Enlarging the XDP_MAX_TX_BUDGET value contributes to less frequency of
> > > sendto() and higher throughput/PPS.
> > >
> > > Here is what I did in production, along with some numbers as follows:
> > > For one application I saw lately, I suggested using 128 as max_tx_budget
> > > because I saw two limitations without changing any default configuration:
> > > 1) XDP_MAX_TX_BUDGET, 2) socket sndbuf which is 212992 decided by
> > > net.core.wmem_default. As to XDP_MAX_TX_BUDGET, the scenario behind
> > > this was I counted how many descs are transmitted to the driver at one
> > > time of sendto() based on [1] patch and then I calculated the
> > > possibility of hitting the upper bound. Finally I chose 128 as a
> > > suitable value because 1) it covers most of the cases, 2) a higher
> > > number would not bring evident results. After twisting the parameters,
> > > a stable improvement of around 4% for both PPS and throughput and less
> > > resources consumption were found to be observed by strace -c -p xxx:
> > > 1) %time was decreased by 7.8%
> > > 2) error counter was decreased from 18367 to 572
> > >
> > > [1]: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20250619093641.70700-1-kerneljasonxing@gmail.com/
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Jason Xing <kernelxing@tencent.com>
> >
> > LGTM, waiting a little more for an explicit an ack from XDP maintainers.
> 
> Thanks. No problem.

Hey! i did review. Jason sorry but I got confused that you need to sort
out the performance results on your side, hence the silence.

> 
> >
> > Side note: it could be useful to extend the xdp selftest to trigger the
> > new code path.
> 
> Roger that, sir. I will do it after this gets merged, maybe later this
> month, still studying for various tests in recent days :)

IMHO nothing worth testing with this patch per-se, it's rather the matter
of performance.

I would like however to ask you for follow-up with patch against xdpsock
that adds support for using this new setsockopt (once we accept this onto
kernel).

> 
> Thanks,
> Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-03 12:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-27 11:01 [PATCH net-next v6] net: xsk: introduce XDP_MAX_TX_BUDGET set/getsockopt Jason Xing
2025-06-29  2:51 ` Jason Xing
2025-06-29 10:43   ` Jason Xing
2025-06-30 11:46     ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2025-06-30 12:07       ` Jason Xing
2025-06-30 12:25         ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2025-06-30 12:38           ` Jason Xing
2025-07-01  0:20           ` Jason Xing
2025-07-02 11:33 ` Jason Xing
2025-07-03  8:15 ` Paolo Abeni
2025-07-03  8:22   ` Jason Xing
2025-07-03 12:29     ` Maciej Fijalkowski [this message]
2025-07-03 13:11       ` Jason Xing
2025-07-03 12:25 ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2025-07-03 13:09   ` Jason Xing
2025-07-03 14:25     ` Jason Xing
2025-07-03 14:53       ` Jason Xing

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=aGZ3mJnFSsAxv7z6@boxer \
    --to=maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com \
    --cc=ast@kernel.org \
    --cc=bjorn@kernel.org \
    --cc=bpf@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=daniel@iogearbox.net \
    --cc=davem@davemloft.net \
    --cc=edumazet@google.com \
    --cc=hawk@kernel.org \
    --cc=joe@dama.to \
    --cc=john.fastabend@gmail.com \
    --cc=jonathan.lemon@gmail.com \
    --cc=kerneljasonxing@gmail.com \
    --cc=kernelxing@tencent.com \
    --cc=kuba@kernel.org \
    --cc=magnus.karlsson@intel.com \
    --cc=netdev@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=pabeni@redhat.com \
    --cc=sdf@fomichev.me \
    --cc=willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).