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From: Hangbin Liu <liuhangbin@gmail.com>
To: Ido Schimmel <idosch@nvidia.com>
Cc: Sabrina Dubroca <sd@queasysnail.net>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Jay Vosburgh <jv@jvosburgh.net>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>, Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	Nikolay Aleksandrov <razor@blackwall.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@fomichev.me>,
	Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@google.com>,
	Ahmed Zaki <ahmed.zaki@intel.com>,
	Alexander Lobakin <aleksander.lobakin@intel.com>,
	bridge@lists.linux.dev, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 1/5] net: add a common function to compute features from lowers devices
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2025 01:08:22 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aMNyhuC1DJsajuqs@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aMLHz0P4KhHPNIcc@shredder>

On Thu, Sep 11, 2025 at 03:59:59PM +0300, Ido Schimmel wrote:
> > > It is not clear to me why we are setting hard_header_len to the largest
> > > of all lowers and not needed_headroom. While bond/team allow
> > > non-Ethernet lowers (unlike bridge, which is also adjusted to use this
> > > helper), they do verify that all the lower devices are of the same type.
> > > Shouldn't devices of the same type have the same hardware header length?
> > 
> > At least not with VLANs. Both basic ethernet and vlan devices are
> > ARPHRD_ETHER, but the hard_header_len of the vlan device will be
> > larger if we're not offloading:
> > 
> >     dev->hard_header_len = real_dev->hard_header_len + VLAN_HLEN;
> 
> This looks like a remanent from the time before needed_headroom was
> introduced, aimed at making sure that the kernel has enough room to push
> the VLAN tag when the hardware is unable to. I believe it should be
> converted to adjust needed_headroom instead. Otherwise, looking at
> __is_skb_forwardable(), an skb might be forwarded to a VLAN device when
> its real device does not support Tx VLAN acceleration and dropped
> otherwise (due to a smaller hard_header_len).
> 
> Anyway, I'm OK with keeping hard_header_len for now, but ultimately I
> think netdev_compute_features_from_lowers() should be adjusting
> needed_headroom and not hard_header_len.

Thanks, I will add the needed_headroom update on my todo list.

Hangbin

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-12  1:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-29  9:54 [PATCH net-next 0/5] net: common feature compute for upper interface Hangbin Liu
2025-08-29  9:54 ` [PATCH net-next 1/5] net: add a common function to compute features from lowers devices Hangbin Liu
2025-08-31 15:35   ` Ido Schimmel
2025-09-01  9:46     ` Hangbin Liu
2025-09-10 14:29     ` Sabrina Dubroca
2025-09-10 17:08       ` Ido Schimmel
2025-09-10 17:41         ` Sabrina Dubroca
2025-09-11 12:59           ` Ido Schimmel
2025-09-12  1:08             ` Hangbin Liu [this message]
2025-08-29  9:54 ` [PATCH net-next 2/5] bonding: use common function to compute the features Hangbin Liu
2025-08-29  9:54 ` [PATCH net-next 3/5] team: " Hangbin Liu
2025-09-02 16:22   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-08-29  9:54 ` [PATCH net-next 4/5] net: bridge: " Hangbin Liu
2025-08-29  9:54 ` [PATCH net-next 5/5] selftests/net: add offload checking test for virtual interface Hangbin Liu
2025-08-31 15:52   ` Ido Schimmel
2025-09-01  9:29     ` Hangbin Liu

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