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From: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To: Jacob Keller <jacob.e.keller@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC net-next 0/9] net: stmmac: experimental PCS conversion
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2025 20:30:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aNRG82biP9mA-rvm@shell.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b7fb3c8c-bfa6-4e46-b5ed-05e4752bbc00@intel.com>

On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 12:13:18PM -0700, Jacob Keller wrote:
> 
> 
> On 9/24/2025 11:17 AM, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> > This series is radical - it takes the brave step of ripping out much of
> > the existing PCS support code and throwing it all away.
> > 
> > I have discussed the introduction of the STMMAC_FLAG_HAS_INTEGRATED_PCS
> > flag with Bartosz Golaszewski, and the conclusion I came to is that
> > this is to workaround the breakage that I've been going on about
> > concerning the phylink conversion for the last five or six years.
> > 
> > The problem is that the stmmac PCS code manipulates the netif carrier
> > state, which confuses phylink.
> > 
> > There is a way of testing this out on the Jetson Xavier NX platform as
> > the "PCS" code paths can be exercised while in RGMII mode - because
> > RGMII also has in-band status and the status register is shared with
> > SGMII. Testing this out confirms my long held theory: the interrupt
> > handler manipulates the netif carrier state before phylink gets a
> > look-in, which means that the mac_link_up() and mac_link_down() methods
> > are never called, resulting in the device being non-functional.
> > 
> > Moreover, on dwmac4 cores, ethtool reports incorrect information -
> > despite having a full-duplex link, ethtool reports that it is
> > half-dupex.
> > 
> > Thus, this code is completely broken - anyone using it will not have
> > a functional platform, and thus it doesn't deserve to live any longer,
> > especially as it's a thorn in phylink.
> > 
> > Rip all this out, leaving just the bare bones initialisation in place.
> > 
> > However, this is not the last of what's broken. We have this hw->ps
> > integer which is really not descriptive, and the DT property from
> > which it comes from does little to help understand what's going on.
> > Putting all the clues together:
> > 
> > - early configuration of the GMAC configuration register for the
> >   speed.
> > - setting the SGMII rate adapter layer to take its speed from the
> >   GMAC configuration register.
> > 
> > Lastly, setting the transmit enable (TE) bit, which is a typo that puts
> > the nail in the coffin of this code. It should be the transmit
> > configuration (TC) bit. Given that when the link comes up, phylink
> > will call mac_link_up() which will overwrite the speed in the GMAC
> > configuration register, the only part of this that is functional is
> > changing where the SGMII rate adapter layer gets its speed from,
> > which is a boolean.
> > 
> > From what I've found so far, everyone who sets the snps,ps-speed
> > property which configures this mode also configures a fixed link,
> > so the pre-configuration is unnecessary - the link will come up
> > anyway.
> > 
> > So, this series rips that out the preconfiguration as well, and
> > replaces hw->ps with a boolean hw->reverse_sgmii_enable flag.
> > 
> > We then move the sole PCS configuration into a phylink_pcs instance,
> > which configures the PCS control register in the same way as is done
> > during the probe function.
> > 
> > Thus, we end up with much easier and simpler conversion to phylink PCS
> > than previous attempts.
> > 
> > Even so, this still results in inband mode always being enabled at the
> > moment in the new .pcs_config() method to reflect what the probe
> > function was doing. The next stage will be to change that to allow
> > phylink to correctly configure the PCS. This needs fixing to allow
> > platform glue maintainers who are currently blocked to progress.
> > 
> > Please note, however, that this has not been tested with any SGMII
> > platform.
> > 
> > I've tried to get as many people into the Cc list with get_maintainers,
> > I hope that's sufficient to get enough eyeballs on this.
> > 
> 
> I'm no expert with this hardware or driver, but all of your explanations
> seem reasonable to me.
> 
> I'd guess the real step is to try and get this tested against the
> variety of hardware supported by stmmac?

Yes please, that would be very helpful, as I don't want to regress
anyone's setup. I'm hoping that this series is going to be the low-
risk change.

Thanks.

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-24 19:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-24 18:17 [PATCH RFC net-next 0/9] net: stmmac: experimental PCS conversion Russell King (Oracle)
2025-09-24 18:19 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 1/9] net: stmmac: remove broken PCS code Russell King (Oracle)
2025-09-24 18:19 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 2/9] net: stmmac: remove xstats.pcs_* members Russell King (Oracle)
2025-09-24 18:19 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 3/9] net: stmmac: remove SGMII/RGMII/SMII interrupt handling Russell King (Oracle)
2025-09-24 18:19 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 4/9] net: stmmac: remove PCS "mode" pause handling Russell King (Oracle)
2025-09-24 18:20 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 5/9] net: stmmac: remove unused PCS loopback support Russell King (Oracle)
2025-09-24 18:20 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 6/9] net: stmmac: remove hw->ps xxx_core_init() hardware setup Russell King (Oracle)
2025-09-24 18:20 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 7/9] net: stmmac: hw->ps becomes hw->reverse_sgmii_enable Russell King (Oracle)
2025-09-24 18:20 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 8/9] net: stmmac: only call stmmac_pcs_ctrl_ane() for integrated SGMII PCS Russell King (Oracle)
2025-09-24 18:20 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 9/9] net: stmmac: convert to phylink PCS support Russell King (Oracle)
2025-09-24 19:13 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 0/9] net: stmmac: experimental PCS conversion Jacob Keller
2025-09-24 19:30   ` Russell King (Oracle) [this message]
2025-09-25 11:56 ` Maxime Chevallier
2025-09-25 13:31   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-10-03 13:24     ` Maxime Chevallier

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