From: Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@linaro.org>
To: Lizhi Xu <lizhi.xu@windriver.com>
Cc: davem@davemloft.net, edumazet@google.com, horms@kernel.org,
kuba@kernel.org, linux-hams@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
pabeni@redhat.com,
syzbot+2860e75836a08b172755@syzkaller.appspotmail.com,
syzkaller-bugs@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2] netrom: Prevent race conditions between multiple add route
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2025 09:36:47 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aPcp_xemzpDuw-MW@stanley.mountain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251021020533.1234755-1-lizhi.xu@windriver.com>
On Tue, Oct 21, 2025 at 10:05:33AM +0800, Lizhi Xu wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 20:59:24 +0300, Dan Carpenter wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 20, 2025 at 09:49:12PM +0800, Lizhi Xu wrote:
> > > On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 21:34:56 +0800, Lizhi Xu wrote:
> > > > > Task0 Task1 Task2
> > > > > ===== ===== =====
> > > > > [97] nr_add_node()
> > > > > [113] nr_neigh_get_dev() [97] nr_add_node()
> > > > > [214] nr_node_lock()
> > > > > [245] nr_node->routes[2].neighbour->count--
> > > > > [246] nr_neigh_put(nr_node->routes[2].neighbour);
> > > > > [248] nr_remove_neigh(nr_node->routes[2].neighbour)
> > > > > [283] nr_node_unlock()
> > > > > [214] nr_node_lock()
> > > > > [253] nr_node->routes[2].neighbour = nr_neigh
> > > > > [254] nr_neigh_hold(nr_neigh); [97] nr_add_node()
> > > > > [XXX] nr_neigh_put()
> > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > >
> > > > > These charts are supposed to be chronological so [XXX] is wrong because the
> > > > > use after free happens on line [248]. Do we really need three threads to
> > > > > make this race work?
> > > > The UAF problem occurs in Task2. Task1 sets the refcount of nr_neigh to 1,
> > > > then Task0 adds it to routes[2]. Task2 releases routes[2].neighbour after
> > > > executing [XXX]nr_neigh_put().
> > > Execution Order:
> > > 1 -> Task0
> > > [113] nr_neigh_get_dev() // After execution, the refcount value is 3
> > >
> > > 2 -> Task1
> > > [246] nr_neigh_put(nr_node->routes[2].neighbour); // After execution, the refcount value is 2
> > > [248] nr_remove_neigh(nr_node->routes[2].neighbour) // After execution, the refcount value is 1
> > >
> > > 3 -> Task0
> > > [253] nr_node->routes[2].neighbour = nr_neigh // nr_neigh's refcount value is 1 and add it to routes[2]
> > >
> > > 4 -> Task2
> > > [XXX] nr_neigh_put(nr_node->routes[2].neighbour) // After execution, neighhour is freed
> > > if (nr_node->routes[2].neighbour->count == 0 && !nr_node->routes[2].neighbour->locked) // Uaf occurs this line when accessing neighbour->count
> >
> > Let's step back a bit and look at the bigger picture design. (Which is
> > completely undocumented so we're just guessing).
> >
> > When we put nr_neigh into nr_node->routes[] we bump the nr_neigh_hold()
> > reference count and nr_neigh->count++, then when we remove it from
> > ->routes[] we drop the reference and do nr_neigh->count--.
> >
> > If it's the last reference (and we are not holding ->locked) then we
> > remove it from the &nr_neigh_list and drop the reference count again and
> > free it. So we drop the reference count twice. This is a complicated
> > design with three variables: nr_neigh_hold(), nr_neigh->count and
> > ->locked. Why can it not just be one counter nr_neigh_hold(). So
> > instead of setting locked = true we would just take an extra reference?
> > The nr_neigh->count++ would be replaced with nr_neigh_hold() as well.
> locked controls whether the neighbor quality can be automatically updated;
I'm not sure your patch fixes the bug because we could still race against
nr_del_node().
I'm not saying get rid of locked completely, I'm saying get rid of code like
this:
if (nr_node->routes[2].neighbour->count == 0 && !nr_node->routes[2].neighbour->locked)
nr_remove_neigh(nr_node->routes[2].neighbour);
Right now, locked serves as a special kind of reference count, because we
don't drop the reference if it's true.
> count controls the number of different routes a neighbor is linked to;
Sure, that is interesting information for the user, so keep it around to
print in the proc file, but don't use it as a reference count.
> refcount is simply used to manage the neighbor lifecycle.
The bug is caused because our reference counting is bad.
So right now what happens is we allocate nr_neigh and we put it on the
&nr_neigh_list. Then we lock it or we add it to ->routes[] and each of
those has a different reference count. Then when we drop those references
we do:
if (nr_node->routes[2].neighbour->count == 0 && !nr_node->routes[2].neighbour->locked)
nr_remove_neigh(nr_node->routes[2].neighbour);
This removes it from the list, and hopefully this is the last reference
and it frees it.
It would be much simpler to say, we only use nr_neigh_hold()/put() for
reference counting. When we set locked we do:
nr_neigh_hold(nr_neigh);
nr_neigh->locked = true;
Incrementing the refcount means it can't be freed.
Then when we remove nr_neigh from ->routes[] we wouldn't "remove it from
the list", instead we would just drop a reference. When we dropped the
last reference, nr_neigh_put() would remove it from the list.
My proposal would be a behavior change because right now what happens is:
1: allocate nr_neigh
2: add it to ->routes[]
3: remove it from ->routes[]
(freed automatically because we drop two references)
Now it would be:
1: allocate nr_neigh
2: add it to ->routes[]
3: remove it from ->routes[]
4: needs to be freed manually with nr_del_neigh().
regards,
dan carpenter
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-21 6:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-25 16:35 [syzbot] [hams?] KASAN: slab-use-after-free Read in nr_add_node syzbot
2025-10-18 20:37 ` syzbot
2025-10-19 5:02 ` Brahmajit Das
2025-10-19 5:21 ` syzbot
2025-10-19 5:10 ` Brahmajit Das
2025-10-19 5:10 ` syzbot
2025-10-20 8:13 ` [PATCH] netrom: Prevent race conditions between multiple add route Lizhi Xu
2025-10-20 10:10 ` Dan Carpenter
2025-10-20 11:02 ` [PATCH V2] " Lizhi Xu
2025-10-20 12:25 ` Dan Carpenter
2025-10-20 12:33 ` Dan Carpenter
2025-10-20 12:57 ` Dan Carpenter
2025-10-20 13:34 ` Lizhi Xu
2025-10-20 13:49 ` Lizhi Xu
2025-10-20 17:59 ` Dan Carpenter
2025-10-21 2:05 ` Lizhi Xu
2025-10-21 6:36 ` Dan Carpenter [this message]
2025-10-21 8:34 ` Lizhi Xu
2025-10-21 8:35 ` [PATCH V3] netrom: Prevent race conditions between neighbor operations Lizhi Xu
2025-10-23 11:44 ` Paolo Abeni
2025-10-23 11:54 ` Eric Dumazet
2025-10-23 12:41 ` Lizhi Xu
2025-10-23 13:50 ` [PATCH V4] netrom: Preventing the use of abnormal neighbor Lizhi Xu
2025-10-28 14:13 ` Paolo Abeni
2025-10-29 2:59 ` Lizhi Xu
2025-11-13 6:33 ` Lizhi Xu
2025-10-24 10:45 ` [PATCH V3] netrom: Prevent race conditions between neighbor operations Dan Carpenter
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