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From: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To: Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>
Cc: Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>,
	Daniel Golle <daniel@makrotopia.org>,
	Frank Wunderlich <frankwu@gmx.de>, Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	Chen Minqiang <ptpt52@gmail.com>, Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk+dt@kernel.org>,
	Conor Dooley <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
	Matthias Brugger <matthias.bgg@gmail.com>,
	AngeloGioacchino Del Regno
	<angelogioacchino.delregno@collabora.com>,
	"Chester A. Unal" <chester.a.unal@arinc9.com>,
	DENG Qingfang <dqfext@gmail.com>,
	Sean Wang <sean.wang@mediatek.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/2] net: dsa: mt7530: Use GPIO polarity to generate correct reset sequence
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2025 20:47:30 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aTHzYq5L7kvAPrjQ@shell.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9f7da6ae-9e3e-442f-a203-28a8881dbe0f@kernel.org>

On Thu, Dec 04, 2025 at 06:32:23PM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> On 04/12/2025 18:23, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> > On 04/12/2025 18:11, Vladimir Oltean wrote:
> >> On Thu, Dec 04, 2025 at 05:48:07PM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> >>> Both are the same - inverter or NOT gate, same stuff. It is just
> >>> connecting wire to pull up, not actual component on the board (although
> >>> one could make and buy such component as well...). We never describe
> >>> these inverters in the DTS, these are just too trivial circuits, thus
> >>> the final GPIO_ACTIVE_XXX should already include whatever is on the wire
> >>> between SoC and device.
> >>
> >> Please read what Andrew said:
> >> https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/3fbc4e67-b931-421c-9d83-2214aaa2f6ed@lunn.ch/
> >>
> >>   Assuming there is not a NOT gate placed between the GPIO and the reset
> >>   pin, because the board designer decided to do that for some reason?
> >>                    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>
> >> You two are *not* talking about the same thing. I dismissed the
> > 
> > 
> > It's the same thing. NOT gate is just pulling some pin down or up.
> 
> Although transistor would be still needed, so indeed that's still a bit
> more than a wire and resistor as I implied.
> 
> It looks like:
> https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/logic-log47.gif

A bit more than even that... I do hope folk don't use exactly that,
that's the kind of thing that would be used in "learning about
electronics" projects! That's a recipe to drive a transistor into
full saturation, which makes it comparitively very slow to turn off.

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-04 20:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-29 23:46 [PATCH v3 1/2] ARM64: dts: mediatek: fix MT7531 reset GPIO polarity on multiple boards Chen Minqiang
2025-11-29 23:46 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] net: dsa: mt7530: Use GPIO polarity to generate correct reset sequence Chen Minqiang
2025-11-30  1:11   ` Andrew Lunn
2025-11-30  8:07     ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-11-30 20:17       ` Andrew Lunn
2025-12-01  7:48         ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-12-02 11:52           ` Frank Wunderlich
2025-12-02 12:20             ` Daniel Golle
2025-12-04 13:16               ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-12-04 13:50                 ` Daniel Golle
2025-12-04 15:45                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-12-04 14:49                 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-12-04 16:02                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-12-04 16:48                     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-12-04 17:11                       ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-12-04 17:23                         ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-12-04 17:32                           ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-12-04 20:47                             ` Russell King (Oracle) [this message]
2025-12-04 17:45                           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-12-04 18:21                             ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-12-04 15:22                 ` Andrew Lunn
2025-12-04 15:37                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-12-04 15:50                     ` Andrew Lunn
2025-12-04 15:52                     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-12-04 16:33                       ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-11-30  8:22   ` Vladimir Oltean
2025-12-01  7:50   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-11-30  1:00 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] ARM64: dts: mediatek: fix MT7531 reset GPIO polarity on multiple boards Andrew Lunn

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