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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>
Cc: Andrew Lunn <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	john.ogness@linutronix.de,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	asantostc@gmail.com, efault@gmx.de, gustavold@gmail.com,
	calvin@wbinvd.org, jv@jvosburgh.net, mpdesouza@suse.com,
	kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v5 3/4] netconsole: convert to NBCON console infrastructure
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2026 16:19:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aXt6bD4KNb-5aY6c@pathway.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260128-nbcon-v5-3-93b4ddbc181a@debian.org>

On Wed 2026-01-28 06:17:39, Breno Leitao wrote:
> Convert netconsole from the legacy console API to the NBCON framework.
> NBCON provides threaded printing which unblocks printk()s and flushes in
> a thread, decoupling network TX from printk() when netconsole is
> in use.
> 
> Since netconsole relies on the network stack which cannot safely operate
> from all atomic contexts, mark both consoles with
> CON_NBCON_ATOMIC_UNSAFE. (See discussion in [1])
> 
> CON_NBCON_ATOMIC_UNSAFE restricts write_atomic() usage to emergency
> scenarios (panic) where regular messages are sent in threaded mode.
> 
> Implementation changes:
> - Unify write_ext_msg() and write_msg() into netconsole_write()
> - Add device_lock/device_unlock callbacks to manage target_list_lock
> - Use nbcon_enter_unsafe()/nbcon_exit_unsafe() around network
>   operations.
>   - If nbcon_enter_unsafe() fails, just return given netconsole lost
>     the ownership of the console.

I was just curious and scratched my head around this a bit.
If I get it correctly then it might fail only in a single situation.
It actually should never happen on systems which stop CPUs by NMI.

My thiking is:

  1. nbcon->write_thread() is called only from the dedicated kthread
     so that there is always only one instance.

     It might actually be called also by the legacy loop when a boot
     console is registed. But the kthread is blocked in this case.

     Anyway, the callback is serialized also using netcon->device_lock().


  2. nbcon->write_atomic() is called only by the final
     nbcon_atomic_flush_unsafe() because of CON_NBCON_ATOMIC_UNSAFE.

     nbcon_enter_unsafe() always succeeds here because the _usafe_
     takeover is allowed.


  3. No other lock is synchronized with nbcon context.

     It is acceptable because nbcon->write_atomic() is called
     only by nbcon_atomic_flush_unsafe() where the nbcon context
     synchronization is ignored anyway.

So, nbcon_enter_unsafe() might fail only in netcon->write_thread()
when the kthread is still running on another CPU while
nbcon_atomic_flush_unsafe() is called on the panic CPU.

And it should never happen when the non-panic CPUs are stopped
by NMI.

By other words, the nbcon context synchronization does not have
much value when CON_NBCON_ATOMIC_UNSAFE is used.

It is acceptable from my POV. I write this just to make
the expectations clear. I wish, I had time to write a more
comprehensible documentation about the printk design...

> - Set write_thread and write_atomic callbacks (both use same function)
> 
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/all/b2qps3uywhmjaym4mht2wpxul4yqtuuayeoq4iv4k3zf5wdgh3@tocu6c7mj4lt/ [1]
> Signed-off-by: Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>

Feel free to use:

Reviewed-by: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>

Best Regards,
Petr

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-01-29 15:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-28 14:17 [PATCH net-next v5 0/4] net: netconsole: convert to NBCON console infrastructure Breno Leitao
2026-01-28 14:17 ` [PATCH net-next v5 1/4] printk: Add execution context (task name/CPU) to printk_info Breno Leitao
2026-01-28 14:42   ` John Ogness
2026-01-30  9:01     ` Breno Leitao
2026-01-30  9:19       ` Petr Mladek
2026-01-30  9:20       ` John Ogness
2026-01-31  1:32   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-02-02 11:49     ` Breno Leitao
2026-02-03  0:23       ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-01-28 14:17 ` [PATCH net-next v5 2/4] netconsole: extract message fragmentation into send_msg_udp() Breno Leitao
2026-01-28 14:44   ` John Ogness
2026-01-28 14:17 ` [PATCH net-next v5 3/4] netconsole: convert to NBCON console infrastructure Breno Leitao
2026-01-28 14:49   ` John Ogness
2026-01-29 15:19   ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2026-01-28 14:17 ` [PATCH net-next v5 4/4] netconsole: Use printk context for CPU and task information Breno Leitao
2026-01-28 15:03   ` John Ogness
2026-01-28 16:46     ` Breno Leitao
2026-01-29 15:25   ` Petr Mladek

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