From: Bert Karwatzki <spasswolf@web.de>
To: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-rt-devel@lists.linux.dev,
Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, spasswolf@web.de
Subject: Re: "Dead loop on virtual device" error without softirq-BKL on PREEMPT_RT
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2026 20:10:09 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aa02f39ec4640c9d98963f42121b76e59b58371d.camel@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2369ba83d204290dcfe157aed3f943206213b979.camel@web.de>
Am Dienstag, dem 17.02.2026 um 17:52 +0100 schrieb Bert Karwatzki:
> Am Dienstag, dem 17.02.2026 um 12:24 +0100 schrieb Bert Karwatzki:
> > Am Dienstag, dem 17.02.2026 um 11:42 +0100 schrieb Bert Karwatzki:
> > >
> > > I just wondered if we can completely skip the
> > >
> > > if (READ_ONCE(txq->xmit_lock_owner) != cpu) {
> > > [...]
> > > } else
> > > {
> > > /* "Recursion" alert */
> > > }
> > >
> > > check, as the synchronization will we provided by HARD_TX_{LOCK,UNLOCK}.
> > >
> >
> > I thought about that again, and it seems like a bad idea as (in the non-preempt) case
> > other threads trying to access the queue would wait for the spinlock to be freed, perhaps
> > one can just change the code like this:
>
> My argument above seems wrong: In the non-preempt case we cannot have another thread accessing the txq
> from the same CPU if the lock is taken (it is not preemptible) and for other threads
> accessing the txq from different CPUs the check (txq->xmit_lock_owner != cpu) would succeed
> and they would try the spinlock anyway, So this would not speak against killing the lock owner
> check. As for the recursion detection, perhaps dev_xmit_recursion() is enough?
I tried to research the original commit which introduced the xmit_lock_owner check, but
it is present since linux 2.3.6 (released 19990610) (when __dev_queue_xmit() was still called dev_queue_xmit()),
so I can't tell the original idea behind that check (perhaps recuesion detection ...), so I'm
not completely sure if it can be omitted (and just let dev_xmit_recursion() do the recursion checking).
Bert Karwatzki
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2026-02-17 11:24 ` "Dead loop on virtual device" error without softirq-BKL on PREEMPT_RT Bert Karwatzki
2026-02-17 16:52 ` Bert Karwatzki
2026-02-17 19:10 ` Bert Karwatzki [this message]
2026-02-18 7:30 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-02-18 12:50 ` Bert Karwatzki
2026-02-26 17:29 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-18 10:30 ` Daniel Vacek
2026-03-18 11:18 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-18 14:43 ` Daniel Vacek
2026-03-18 14:51 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-18 14:58 ` Daniel Vacek
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