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From: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
To: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
Cc: "Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>, "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Donald Hunter" <donald.hunter@gmail.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Simon Horman" <horms@kernel.org>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
	"Todd Kjos" <tkjos@android.com>,
	"Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>,
	"Carlos Llamas" <cmllamas@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Rust netlink support + use in Rust Binder
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2026 15:08:50 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aa2RAlWEKh-YUoqI@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <88bd0bd2-74bd-4795-be3d-c303c75eee7e@lunn.ch>

On Sun, Mar 08, 2026 at 03:12:55PM +0100, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 07, 2026 at 10:41:09PM +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 07, 2026 at 10:39:28PM +0100, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> > > > > Please no duplication of existing code in Rust.
> > > > 
> > > > The plan is certainly to get rid of C Binder, but it was unfortunately
> > > > not possible to get there without a transition period.
> > > 
> > > Dumb question....
> > > 
> > > Why?
> > 
> > The reasons for moving to a Rust implementation are discussed in the
> > cover letter [1], and in my 2023 plumbers talk [2].
> 
> Ah, so you meant binder itself has be dual implementation for a while.

Yes, that's right.

> > No, it sends the same messages. The intent is for Android to move to the
> > Rust implementation without userspace being able to tell the difference.
> 
> Any reason you cannot use this Rust netlink code with the C binder?
> You can then throw away the C netlink code, no code duplication.

I think the benefit from that would be quite little. It would probably
not have helped avoid commit 5e8a3d015442 ("binder: fix UAF in
binder_netlink_report()") because that was a bug in the caller of
binder_netlink_report(), rather than a bug in the function itself.

And as for the benefit from avoiding duplication on its own, Binder's
netlink logic is very small to begin with, so I do not think that's
worth it either. It'll go away eventually when the entire C driver is
deleted.

Alice

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-08 15:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-06 15:12 [PATCH 0/4] Rust netlink support + use in Rust Binder Alice Ryhl
2026-03-06 15:12 ` [PATCH 1/4] rust: netlink: add raw netlink abstraction Alice Ryhl
2026-03-07 15:43   ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-07 21:28     ` Alice Ryhl
2026-03-08 14:48       ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-08 15:23         ` Alice Ryhl
2026-03-08 17:24           ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-09  8:38             ` Alice Ryhl
2026-03-06 15:12 ` [PATCH 2/4] ynl_gen: generate Rust files from yaml files Alice Ryhl
2026-03-07 18:41   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-03-07 21:30     ` Alice Ryhl
2026-03-06 15:12 ` [PATCH 3/4] rust_binder: add generated netlink.rs file Alice Ryhl
2026-03-16 12:07   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-03-06 15:12 ` [PATCH 4/4] rust_binder: report netlink transactions Alice Ryhl
2026-03-07 16:56   ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-07 21:19     ` Alice Ryhl
2026-03-07 18:41 ` [PATCH 0/4] Rust netlink support + use in Rust Binder Jakub Kicinski
2026-03-07 21:19   ` Alice Ryhl
2026-03-07 21:39     ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-07 22:41       ` Alice Ryhl
2026-03-08 14:12         ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-08 15:08           ` Alice Ryhl [this message]
2026-03-07 21:59     ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-03-07 22:50       ` Alice Ryhl
2026-03-09 21:24         ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-03-10  7:47           ` Alice Ryhl

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