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From: Roland Dreier <rdreier-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Simon Horman <horms-/R6kz+dDXgpPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Liran Liss <liranl-VPRAkNaXOzVS1MOuV/RT9w@public.gmane.org>,
	Or Gerlitz <or.gerlitz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Yevgeny Petrilin
	<yevgenyp-VPRAkNaXOzVS1MOuV/RT9w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Tziporet Koren <tziporet-VPRAkNaXOzVS1MOuV/RT9w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 19/25] mlx4: Randomizing mac addresses for slaves
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:08:58 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <adaeiocyykl.fsf@roland-alpha.cisco.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091106040624.GA6629-/R6kz+dDXgpPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org> (Simon Horman's message of "Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:06:24 +1100")


 > > igb uses the full output of random_ether_addr().  I'd be fine with
 > > that.  However setting the OUI means you only get 24 bits of randomness
 > > which makes a collision a lot more likely.
 > 
 > IIRC that was precisely why the OUI isn't used for the igb driver.
 > 
 > Perhaps some infrastructure (by which I mean a random_mac() function)
 > is warranted so at least this discussion can be concentrated around that
 > rather than repeating it for each driver that needs random mac addresses.

What would be the difference between random_mac() and the existing
random_ether_addr() function?

If one chooses a random address with a given OUI, then with only 24 bits
of randomness, the birthday paradox says it takes only a few thousand
addresses to get a collision (easy to hit given even a modest-sized
virtualization setup).  With the 46 bits that random_ether_addr() gives
it takes millions of addresses to be likely to get a collision, which is
probably comfortable for most ethernets.

So it seems that random_ether_addr() is exactly what we should be using
for VFs -- the only alternative I see is for the manufacturer to
allocate N extra ethernet addresses for a NIC that supports N virtual
functions, and use those assigned addresses.  But if the kernel is
making up ethernet addresses then we better use all the bits we can.

 - R.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-11-06  6:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-04 15:31 [PATCH 19/25] mlx4: Randomizing mac addresses for slaves Yevgeny Petrilin
     [not found] ` <4AF19E69.8070605-VPRAkNaXOzVS1MOuV/RT9w@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-04 20:04   ` Roland Dreier
2009-11-04 21:33     ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]       ` <15ddcffd0911041333l165ee274mfae3508a3db755e7-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-05 13:38         ` Liran Liss
     [not found]           ` <2ED289D4E09FBD4D92D911E869B97FDD0166CA59-ia22CT07NJfiMCgWhms8HQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-05 15:58             ` Roland Dreier
2009-11-06  4:06               ` Simon Horman
     [not found]                 ` <20091106040624.GA6629-/R6kz+dDXgpPR4JQBCEnsQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-06  6:08                   ` Roland Dreier [this message]
     [not found]                     ` <adaeiocyykl.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-06  7:07                       ` Simon Horman

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