From: Lincoln Dale <ltd@cisco.com>
To: David Schwartz <davids@webmaster.com>
Cc: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>,
Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <netdev@oss.sgi.com>,
jamal <hadi@cyberus.ca>
Subject: Re: RFC: per-socket statistics on received/dropped packets
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:44:20 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ae9ma0$mhq$2@main.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020613072155.AAA14363@shell.webmaster.com@whenever>
> >i know of many many folk who use transaction logs from HTTP caches for
> >volume-based billing.
> >right now, those bills are anywhere between 10% to 25% incorrect.
>
> You are being paid to deliver packets to their destination, not
> to drop
>them.
ho hum.
yes, that is typically true of a transit provider.
however, the transit provider wants to charge the customer not just for
what is delivered to layer-7, but also for packetization overhead at
layer-2/layer-3/layer-4. after all, the IP+TCP packet headers are
delivered to the client as well, no?
this is just my point: there is NO method to account for those pesky headers!
also, think of the case where a HTTP Proxy _isn't_ in the path of
traffic. from this side of the Pacific, if there are TCP retransmissions,
they are end-to-end retransmissions, across that really expensive piece of
wet string otherwise known as an undersea cable. _that_ is the most
expensive hop and if a customer is congested on the last mile, they're
still eating into the expensive bandwidth!
discussions on the layer-8 (religion) or layer-9 (politics) aspects of
whether it is correct to bill based on that is irrelevant. what is
relevant is that there isn't any mechanism to count the overhead of
packetization or the overhead of using a "reliable stream transport" such
as TCP.
i do have the code to do this. its relatively trivial and consumes an
extra 8 bytes of RAM per socket.
it doesn't obfuscate the existing kernel code nor does it slow the code
down by any tangible amount.
it is a compile-time option so for those people who don't know or care
about it, it doesn't impact them at all.
yet, clearly, Dave and Jamal are vehemently opposed to it.
alas, that means it stays as an out-of-kernel patch and will likely
continue to suffer bit-rot as time goes by. c'est la vie.
cheers,
lincoln.
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[not found] <5.1.0.14.2.20020612221925.0283fb18@mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com>
2002-06-12 12:33 ` RFC: per-socket statistics on received/dropped packets jamal
2002-06-12 12:44 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-06-12 12:44 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-06-12 12:44 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-06-13 7:21 ` David Schwartz
[not found] ` <20020613072155.AAA14363@shell.webmaster.com@whenever>
2002-06-13 8:44 ` Lincoln Dale [this message]
2002-06-23 2:03 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <E17LwjD-0003hT-00@the-village.bc.nu>
2002-06-23 2:05 ` Lincoln Dale
[not found] <5.1.0.14.2.20020613183120.03222cb8@mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com>
2002-06-13 10:10 ` David Schwartz
2002-06-12 20:30 Yan-Fa Li
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2002-06-12 20:30 Yan-Fa Li
[not found] <20020612105355.A20760@mark.mielke.cc>
2002-06-12 15:57 ` jamal
2002-06-12 17:00 ` Horst von Brand
[not found] <5.1.0.14.2.20020612224038.0251bd08@mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com>
2002-06-12 13:00 ` jamal
[not found] ` <Pine.GSO.4.30.0206120853320.799-100000@shell.cyberus.ca>
2002-06-12 14:53 ` Mark Mielke
2002-06-12 14:53 ` Mark Mielke
[not found] ` <5.1.0.14.2.20020614100914.01adca48@mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com>
2002-06-14 15:51 ` Stephen Hemminger
[not found] ` <1024069878.20676.1.camel@dell_ss3.pdx.osdl.net>
2002-06-14 18:09 ` Ben Greear
[not found] <Message from Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
[not found] ` <3D06E9A0.5060801@candelatech.com>
2002-06-12 6:32 ` Pekka Savola
2002-06-12 12:11 ` Horst von Brand
[not found] ` <200206121211.g5CCBjZt030139@pincoya.inf.utfsm.cl>
2002-06-12 12:28 ` Lincoln Dale
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206120930160.29780-100000@netcore.fi>
2002-06-12 6:49 ` Ben Greear
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206120905510.29780-100000@netcore.fi>
2002-06-12 6:26 ` Ben Greear
2002-06-06 19:37 Chris Friesen
2002-06-07 3:21 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-07 15:34 ` Chris Friesen
2002-06-07 22:15 ` Ben Greear
[not found] ` <3D01307C.4090503@candelatech.com>
2002-06-08 21:05 ` Mark Mielke
2002-06-08 23:04 ` David S. Miller
[not found] ` <20020608.160407.101346167.davem@redhat.com>
2002-06-09 0:13 ` Ben Greear
[not found] ` <3D029DAF.5040006@candelatech.com>
2002-06-09 0:51 ` David S. Miller
[not found] ` <20020608.175108.84748597.davem@redhat.com>
2002-06-09 18:23 ` Ben Greear
2002-06-10 4:34 ` David S. Miller
[not found] ` <20020609.213440.04716391.davem@redhat.com>
2002-06-10 5:55 ` Mark Mielke
2002-06-10 6:08 ` Ben Greear
2002-06-10 12:03 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-06-10 12:18 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-10 12:24 ` jamal
2002-06-10 13:57 ` Mark Mielke
2002-06-10 14:45 ` jamal
2002-06-10 14:56 ` jamal
2002-06-10 19:28 ` Chris Friesen
2002-06-10 19:28 ` Chris Friesen
2002-06-10 19:28 ` Chris Friesen
2002-06-10 19:28 ` Chris Friesen
2002-06-10 19:28 ` Chris Friesen
2002-06-11 22:41 ` Bill Davidsen
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.3.96.1020611183218.29598A-100000@gatekeeper.tmr.com>
2002-06-12 3:41 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-12 3:57 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2002-06-12 5:20 ` Mark Mielke
[not found] ` <20020612012004.A15773@mark.mielke.cc>
2002-06-12 6:08 ` Pekka Savola
2002-06-12 9:18 ` Sean Hunter
2002-06-09 14:47 ` Pekka Pietikäinen
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