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From: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf.kernel@gmail.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: davem@davemloft.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, edumazet@google.com,
	 pabeni@redhat.com, andrew+netdev@lunn.ch, horms@kernel.org,
	 michael.chan@broadcom.com, hkallweit1@gmail.com,
	maxime.chevallier@bootlin.com,  joshwash@google.com,
	tariqt@nvidia.com, alexanderduyck@fb.com, willemb@google.com,
	 jacob.e.keller@intel.com, kory.maincent@bootlin.com,
	jakub@cloudflare.com, nb@tipi-net.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 00/12] net: ethtool: let ops locked drivers run without rtnl_lock
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2026 15:48:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aiNR_GaST-NnkZie@devvm7509.cco0.facebook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260605002912.3456868-1-kuba@kernel.org>

On 06/04, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> With the ethtool_get_link_ksettings() situation hopefully ironed out
> the previous series (commit 6a5d837f0ce2) let's return to the main
> part of the series.
> 
> We have been slowly moving towards removing the rtnl_lock dependency
> in driver ops since the concept of "ops-locked" drivers have been
> introduced last year. Since last year will take the netdev instance
> lock before invoking any ndo or ethtool op of "ops-locked" drivers.
> 
> We dipped our toes into rtnl_lock-less ops with the queue binding API.
> Queue stats, NAPI, and other netdev-netlink objects are also queried
> without holding rtnl_lock already. It's time to take the next logical
> step and lift the requirement from ethtool ops.
> 
> The direct motivation for this patchset is that ethtool ops often
> involve communicating with device FW, and may take a long time
> to complete. Aggressive polling of device state on machines
> with 10+ NICs have been shown to significantly increase rtnl_lock
> pressure.
> 
> There's a handful of areas which still need rtnl_lock (see below).
> I decided to convert everything to rtnl_lock-less by default, and
> add a set of flags which let the drivers request rtnl_lock to still
> be taken. I don't love this, but I'm worried that opt-in would be
> even more confusing.
> 
> Known issues / exclusions:
>  - qdiscs - qdisc configuration currently assumes rtnl_lock, this
>    is mostly impacting set_channels callback. qdisc config is probably
>    the easiest one of the exclusions to tackle, it's fairly self-contained.
>  - features - even tho feature changes are (correctly) plumbed to
>    the driver thru ndos they are part of ethtool uAPI. ethtool itself
>    calls netdev_features_change() if it has spotted device feature change
>    before vs after to the callback. Some drivers also call
>    netdev_features_change() directly in response to various changes,
>    e.g. setting priv flags.
>    Since features have to propagate to upper and lower devices anything
>    that touches features is quite hard to move from under rtnl_lock.
>  - phylink - phylink and SFP depend on rtnl_lock today, I suspect
>    that this is purely for historic reasons. I started poking at
>    it and don't really see a need for a global lock. But accessing
>    the netdev instance lock from the SFP entry points will require
>    some attention from the phylink folks.
>  - phydev - similar to phylink, looks quite doable. But no ops-locked
>    driver currently has a phydev (fbnic only uses phylink) so phydev
>    related paths retain a ASSERT_RTNL() for now.
> 
> Tested on mlx5, bnxt and fbnic.
> 
> Jakub Kicinski (12):
>   net: ethtool: serialize broadcast notification sequence allocation
>   net: ethtool: relax ethnl_req_get_phydev() locking assertion
>   net: ethtool: make dev->hwprov ops-protected
>   net: ethtool: optionally skip rtnl_lock on Netlink path for GET ops
>   net: ethtool: optionally skip rtnl_lock on Netlink path for SET ops
>   net: ethtool: optionally skip rtnl_lock in cable test handlers
>   net: ethtool: optionally skip rtnl_lock in ethnl_tsinfo_dumpit()
>   net: ethtool: optionally skip rtnl_lock in ethnl_act_module_fw_flash()
>   net: ethtool: optionally skip rtnl_lock in RSS context handlers
>   net: ethtool: ioctl: concentrate the locking
>   net: ethtool: optionally skip rtnl_lock on IOCTL path
>   docs: net: ethtool: document ops-locked drivers and op_needs_rtnl

Acked-by: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@fomichev.me>

netdev_ops_lock_dereference name trips me a bit (_compat suffix would've been
more obvious), but I do agree with the reasoning about needing 'a' lock..

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-06-05 22:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-05  0:29 [PATCH net-next v2 00/12] net: ethtool: let ops locked drivers run without rtnl_lock Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-05  0:29 ` [PATCH net-next v2 01/12] net: ethtool: serialize broadcast notification sequence allocation Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-05  0:29 ` [PATCH net-next v2 02/12] net: ethtool: relax ethnl_req_get_phydev() locking assertion Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-05  0:29 ` [PATCH net-next v2 03/12] net: ethtool: make dev->hwprov ops-protected Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-05  0:29 ` [PATCH net-next v2 04/12] net: ethtool: optionally skip rtnl_lock on Netlink path for GET ops Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-05  0:29 ` [PATCH net-next v2 05/12] net: ethtool: optionally skip rtnl_lock on Netlink path for SET ops Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-05  0:29 ` [PATCH net-next v2 06/12] net: ethtool: optionally skip rtnl_lock in cable test handlers Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-05  0:29 ` [PATCH net-next v2 07/12] net: ethtool: optionally skip rtnl_lock in ethnl_tsinfo_dumpit() Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-05  0:29 ` [PATCH net-next v2 08/12] net: ethtool: optionally skip rtnl_lock in ethnl_act_module_fw_flash() Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-05  0:29 ` [PATCH net-next v2 09/12] net: ethtool: optionally skip rtnl_lock in RSS context handlers Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-05  0:29 ` [PATCH net-next v2 10/12] net: ethtool: ioctl: concentrate the locking Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-05  0:29 ` [PATCH net-next v2 11/12] net: ethtool: optionally skip rtnl_lock on IOCTL path Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-05  0:29 ` [PATCH net-next v2 12/12] docs: net: ethtool: document ops-locked drivers and op_needs_rtnl Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-05 22:48 ` Stanislav Fomichev [this message]
2026-06-06  0:09   ` [PATCH net-next v2 00/12] net: ethtool: let ops locked drivers run without rtnl_lock Jakub Kicinski

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