From: Carlos Llamas <cmllamas@google.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: "Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
"Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" <vbabka@kernel.org>,
"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>,
"Christian Brauner" <christian@brauner.io>,
"David Ahern" <dsahern@kernel.org>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, "Lorenzo Stoakes" <ljs@kernel.org>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, "Shakeel Butt" <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
"Todd Kjos" <tkjos@android.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] binder: Make shrinker rely solely on per-VMA lock
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2026 17:07:56 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aiw87FbaIvYrSYDQ@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e9e196ff-7428-43bd-8e06-dc2cf0628c9e@intel.com>
On Fri, Jun 12, 2026 at 09:54:58AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 6/12/26 09:41, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> >> I think the key to distinguishing between:
> >>
> >> vma==NULL because there's no VMA
> >> and
> >> vma==NULL because of a trylock failure
> >>
> >> is binder_alloc_is_mapped(). It won't return false until vm_ops->close()
> >> finishes. vm_ops->close() shouldn't be able to happen while
> >> lock_vma_under_rcu() is held. So if you've got a non-NULL VMA, you've
> >> also got a stable is binder_alloc_is_mapped().
> > By "stable binder_alloc_is_mapped()" do you mean it would always be
> > true?
>
> By stable, I meant that it can't change.
>
> vma = lock_vma_under_rcu()
> mapped = binder_alloc_is_mapped();
> <window>
> vma_end_read(vma);
>
> During <window> it can't go from true=>false or false=>true.
>
> false=>true never happens from what I can tell. It's just plain
> impossible given the current code.
>
> true=>false is locked out because when lock_vma_under_rcu() is held.
>
> > Asking because in your patch you removed this condition:
> >
> > - if (vma && !binder_alloc_is_mapped(alloc))
> > - goto err_invalid_vma;
> >
> > So, previously if we found the VMA but binder_alloc_is_mapped()==false
> > we would bail out and now we don't. Are you reasoning that this
> > combination is impossible?
>
> It's not impossible, but I do think it is irrelevant. Or at least that
> the *VMA* is irrelevant in this case. binder_alloc_is_mapped()==false
> means that the binder VMA is gone. It's not in the maple tree, and it's
> not coming back. If a VMA is found, it's an impostor.
>
> That's why I did:
>
> - if (vma) {
> + if (mapped) {
>
> The question isn't whether a VMA was found. The question is whether the
> binder VMA is still mapped at page_addr. *That* is best inferred from
> binder_alloc_is_mapped(), not the VMA lookup.
>
> At least that's what I decided after staring at it for far too long.
Yes, I _think_ binder_alloc_is_mapped() can help distinguish between the
two scenarios (contention vs vma-close). However, I think it would be
simpler and safe to do an early exit:
diff --git a/drivers/android/binder_alloc.c b/drivers/android/binder_alloc.c
index 88c3e1667d5b..9dd7d927249d 100644
--- a/drivers/android/binder_alloc.c
+++ b/drivers/android/binder_alloc.c
@@ -1149,6 +1149,8 @@ enum lru_status binder_alloc_free_page(struct list_head *item,
* for 'page_addr'.
*/
vma = lock_vma_under_rcu(mm, page_addr);
+ if (!vma && binder_alloc_is_mapped(alloc))
+ goto err_vma_lock_failed;
if (!mutex_trylock(&alloc->mutex))
goto err_get_alloc_mutex_failed;
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-06-12 17:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-10 23:04 [PATCH v2 0/5] mm: Unconditional per-VMA locks and cleanups Dave Hansen
2026-06-10 23:04 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] mm: Make per-VMA locks available universally Dave Hansen
2026-06-11 19:29 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-12 14:09 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-12 14:12 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-10 23:04 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] binder: Make shrinker rely solely on per-VMA lock Dave Hansen
2026-06-11 7:53 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-06-11 19:59 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-12 15:41 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-12 16:01 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-12 16:04 ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-12 16:41 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-12 16:54 ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-12 17:07 ` Carlos Llamas [this message]
2026-06-12 17:44 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-12 18:47 ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-12 19:50 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-06-10 23:04 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] mm: Add RCU-based VMA lookup helper that waits for writers Dave Hansen
2026-06-10 23:40 ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-11 20:35 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-11 21:04 ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-12 18:00 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-10 23:04 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] binder: Remove mmap_lock fallback Dave Hansen
2026-06-11 20:40 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-12 18:07 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-10 23:04 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] tcp: Remove mmap_lock fallback path Dave Hansen
2026-06-11 20:44 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-12 18:13 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-06-11 20:24 ` [syzbot ci] Re: mm: Unconditional per-VMA locks and cleanups syzbot ci
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