From: david@lang.hm
To: David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>, Stephen Clark <sclark46@earthlink.net>,
Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>,
Tilman Schmidt <tilman@imap.cc>,
Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
jesper.juhl@gmail.com, yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org, jeff@garzik.org,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
git@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Reporting bugs and bisection
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:53:27 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0804152042320.15483@asgard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <480565D3.6000100@davidnewall.com>
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, David Newall wrote:
> Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>> Well, even if someone introduces bugs relatively frequently, but then also
>> works with the reporters and fixes the bugs timely, it's about okay IMO.
>>
> This really is not okay. Even if bugs are fixed a version or two later,
> the impact those bugs have on users makes the system look bad and drives
> them away. We do not, I believe, want Linux to top the list for "most
> bugs". It's unprofessional, unreliable and quite undesirable.
timely frequently means the code was merged in -rc1/2 and was fixed before
the final release of the same version.
given the huge variety of hardware and workloads, it's just too easy for
there to be cases where any trade-off you make (code size, performance,
memory usage, common case definitions) can turn around and bite you. In
addition frequently hardware doesn't work quite the way the design specs
say that it should (completely ignoring the fact that many drivers are
reverse engineered). what's most important is that when a case shows up it
gets addressed promptly
I'd rather have a developer/maintainer who introduces and fixed 100 bug,
but fixes them promptly, as opposed to one who only introduces one bug,
but refuses to consider fixing the code 'because they don't make mistakes
like that' (u\bsadly a common attitude from people who produce very
good code much of the time)
best of all is a developer/maintainer who writes very good code and is
willing to accept the fact that they make mistakes and fixes the code
promptly, but those people are extremely rare, and usually they emerge
from the pool of people who make more mistakes and fix them promptly,
which is an added reason I'm more tolerant of that group.
David Lang
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-16 3:48 UTC|newest]
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[not found] ` <9a8748490804101509l5d043ff8w565dc44dfeaf0072@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <20080410.154651.101700010.davem@davemloft.net>
2008-04-11 0:16 ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Mark Lord
2008-04-11 0:24 ` David Miller
2008-04-11 0:27 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 0:39 ` David Miller
2008-04-11 1:23 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 6:40 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-11 13:19 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 14:35 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 14:59 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 15:18 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 18:07 ` David Miller
2008-04-11 21:29 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-12 8:44 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-12 9:49 ` David Miller
2008-04-13 18:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 18:51 ` Sergio Luis
2008-04-13 19:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-11 19:58 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-04-11 22:16 ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-11 22:25 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 22:27 ` David Miller
2008-04-11 23:23 ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-12 5:37 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-12 7:06 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-11 22:26 ` David Miller
2008-04-11 19:58 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-04-11 22:27 ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-13 18:40 ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 18:47 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-13 19:18 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-13 19:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 19:47 ` Reporting bugs and bisection David Miller
2008-04-13 20:21 ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-13 20:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 20:54 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-13 22:24 ` Reporting bugs and bisection Stephen Clark
2008-04-13 22:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 23:51 ` david
2008-04-14 0:36 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-14 4:39 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-14 5:39 ` Al Viro
2008-04-14 6:24 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 6:39 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 6:43 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 7:23 ` Al Viro
2008-04-14 7:43 ` Al Viro
2008-04-14 8:04 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 8:30 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 9:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14 9:46 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15 5:25 ` Bill Fink
2008-04-14 10:15 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 10:41 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 17:35 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-04-14 12:08 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-14 14:43 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 17:51 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 18:24 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 19:30 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-14 15:54 ` James Morris
2008-04-14 22:01 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 23:05 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-15 4:55 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-15 13:18 ` Work WAS(Re: " jamal
2008-04-15 9:33 ` David Newall
2008-04-15 9:54 ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-04-15 14:04 ` David Newall
2008-04-15 20:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16 2:34 ` David Newall
2008-04-16 3:53 ` david [this message]
2008-04-16 9:06 ` David Newall
2008-04-16 11:02 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-16 12:41 ` Stephen Clark
2008-04-16 4:29 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 12:13 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16 12:15 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 13:26 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:02 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-16 19:43 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 19:55 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-17 13:50 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-04-17 15:26 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:58 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-04-16 20:01 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-16 19:39 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 20:16 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 20:53 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 21:05 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 21:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 20:04 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 20:55 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-16 21:17 ` Jesper Juhl
2008-04-17 17:04 ` David Newall
2008-04-17 19:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-17 19:35 ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 19:57 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-17 20:16 ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 20:38 ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 20:53 ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 21:01 ` Ray Lee
2008-04-14 19:13 ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14 20:38 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 22:18 ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14 9:26 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-13 20:35 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 10:18 ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Ingo Molnar
2008-04-14 10:29 ` Reporting bugs and bisection Andi Kleen
2008-04-13 20:10 ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Adrian Bunk
2008-04-14 9:58 ` Reporting bugs and bisection Andi Kleen
2008-04-14 10:00 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-14 10:16 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15 21:53 ` about bisections (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Ingo Molnar
2008-04-15 22:30 ` about bisections David Miller
2008-04-15 22:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11 0:56 ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-11 1:08 ` David Miller
2008-04-11 0:26 ` David Miller
2008-04-11 0:29 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 2:59 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2008-04-11 3:18 ` [PATCH 2.6.25] net sockets: fix timewait namespace regression Mark Lord
2008-04-11 3:51 ` David Miller
2008-04-11 7:50 ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Pavel Emelyanov
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