From: Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>
To: Artem Savkov <asavkov@redhat.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
davem@davemloft.net, yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org, dsahern@kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/2] timer: add a function to adjust timeouts to be upper bound
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 15:40:55 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.2203301514570.4409@somnus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220330082046.3512424-2-asavkov@redhat.com>
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022, Artem Savkov wrote:
> Current timer wheel implementation is optimized for performance and
> energy usage but lacks in precision. This, normally, is not a problem as
> most timers that use timer wheel are used for timeouts and thus rarely
> expire, instead they often get canceled or modified before expiration.
> Even when they don't, expiring a bit late is not an issue for timeout
> timers.
>
> TCP keepalive timer is a special case, it's aim is to prevent timeouts,
> so triggering earlier rather than later is desired behavior. In a
> reported case the user had a 3600s keepalive timer for preventing firewall
> disconnects (on a 3650s interval). They observed keepalive timers coming
> in up to four minutes late, causing unexpected disconnects.
>
> This commit adds upper_bound_timeout() function that takes a relative
> timeout and adjusts it based on timer wheel granularity so that supplied
> value effectively becomes an upper bound for the timer.
>
I think there is a problem with this approach. Please correct me, if I'm
wrong. The timer wheel index and level calculation depends on
timer_base::clk. The timeout/delta which is used for this calculation is
relative to timer_base::clk (delta = expires - base::clk). timer_base::clk
is not updated in sync with jiffies. It is forwarded before a new timer is
queued. It is possible, that timer_base::clk is behind jiffies after
forwarding because of a not yet expired timer.
When calculating the level/index with a relative timeout, there is no
guarantee that the result is the same when actual enqueueing the timer with
expiry = jiffies + timeout .
Thanks,
Anna-Maria
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-03-30 13:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-03-23 11:16 [PATCH 0/2] Upper bound mode for kernel timers Artem Savkov
2022-03-23 11:16 ` [PATCH 1/2] timer: introduce upper bound timers Artem Savkov
2022-03-23 18:40 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-03-24 9:14 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Upper bound mode for kernel timers Artem Savkov
2022-03-24 9:14 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] timer: introduce upper bound timers Artem Savkov
2022-03-24 9:15 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] net: make tcp keepalive timer upper bound Artem Savkov
2022-03-24 12:28 ` [PATCH 1/2] timer: introduce upper bound timers Thomas Gleixner
2022-03-24 13:54 ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-03-26 21:13 ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-03-30 8:20 ` [PATCH v3 0/2] Upper bound kernel timers Artem Savkov
2022-03-30 8:20 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] timer: add a function to adjust timeouts to be upper bound Artem Savkov
2022-03-30 13:40 ` Anna-Maria Behnsen [this message]
2022-04-02 6:55 ` Artem Savkov
2022-04-05 15:33 ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-04-07 7:52 ` [PATCH v4 0/2] Upper bound kernel timers Artem Savkov
2022-04-07 7:52 ` [PATCH v4 1/2] timer: add a function to adjust timeouts to be upper bound Artem Savkov
2022-04-08 0:37 ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-04-08 5:39 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-04-12 13:42 ` Artem Savkov
2022-05-05 13:18 ` [PATCH v5 0/2] Upper bound kernel timers Artem Savkov
2022-05-05 13:18 ` [PATCH v5 1/2] timer: add a function to adjust timeouts to be upper bound Artem Savkov
2022-05-05 13:18 ` [PATCH v5 2/2] net: make tcp keepalive timer " Artem Savkov
2022-05-05 17:56 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-05-06 6:39 ` Artem Savkov
2022-05-06 16:24 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-07-26 22:42 ` [PATCH v5 0/2] Upper bound kernel timers Josh Poimboeuf
2022-04-07 7:52 ` [PATCH v4 2/2] net: make tcp keepalive timer upper bound Artem Savkov
[not found] ` <Yk1i3WrcVIICAiF0@samus.usersys.redhat.com>
2022-04-07 23:26 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] timer: add a function to adjust timeouts to be " Thomas Gleixner
2022-03-30 8:20 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] net: make tcp keepalive timer " Artem Savkov
2022-04-02 3:09 ` [net] 6ef3f95797: UBSAN:shift-out-of-bounds_in_kernel/time/timer.c kernel test robot
2022-04-02 7:11 ` Artem Savkov
2022-03-30 10:28 ` [PATCH v3 0/2] Upper bound kernel timers David Laight
2022-03-25 7:38 ` [timer] d41e0719d5: UBSAN:shift-out-of-bounds_in_lib/flex_proportions.c kernel test robot
2022-03-25 19:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-03-23 11:16 ` [PATCH 2/2] net: make tcp keepalive timer upper bound Artem Savkov
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