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From: Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>
To: Artem Savkov <asavkov@redhat.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	davem@davemloft.net, yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org, dsahern@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/2] timer: add a function to adjust timeouts to be upper bound
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 15:40:55 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.2203301514570.4409@somnus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220330082046.3512424-2-asavkov@redhat.com>

On Wed, 30 Mar 2022, Artem Savkov wrote:

> Current timer wheel implementation is optimized for performance and
> energy usage but lacks in precision. This, normally, is not a problem as
> most timers that use timer wheel are used for timeouts and thus rarely
> expire, instead they often get canceled or modified before expiration.
> Even when they don't, expiring a bit late is not an issue for timeout
> timers.
> 
> TCP keepalive timer is a special case, it's aim is to prevent timeouts,
> so triggering earlier rather than later is desired behavior. In a
> reported case the user had a 3600s keepalive timer for preventing firewall
> disconnects (on a 3650s interval). They observed keepalive timers coming
> in up to four minutes late, causing unexpected disconnects.
> 
> This commit adds upper_bound_timeout() function that takes a relative
> timeout and adjusts it based on timer wheel granularity so that supplied
> value effectively becomes an upper bound for the timer.
> 

I think there is a problem with this approach. Please correct me, if I'm
wrong. The timer wheel index and level calculation depends on
timer_base::clk. The timeout/delta which is used for this calculation is
relative to timer_base::clk (delta = expires - base::clk). timer_base::clk
is not updated in sync with jiffies. It is forwarded before a new timer is
queued. It is possible, that timer_base::clk is behind jiffies after
forwarding because of a not yet expired timer.

When calculating the level/index with a relative timeout, there is no
guarantee that the result is the same when actual enqueueing the timer with
expiry = jiffies + timeout .

Thanks,

	Anna-Maria


  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-30 13:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-23 11:16 [PATCH 0/2] Upper bound mode for kernel timers Artem Savkov
2022-03-23 11:16 ` [PATCH 1/2] timer: introduce upper bound timers Artem Savkov
2022-03-23 18:40   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-03-24  9:14     ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Upper bound mode for kernel timers Artem Savkov
2022-03-24  9:14       ` [PATCH v2 1/2] timer: introduce upper bound timers Artem Savkov
2022-03-24  9:15       ` [PATCH v2 2/2] net: make tcp keepalive timer upper bound Artem Savkov
2022-03-24 12:28   ` [PATCH 1/2] timer: introduce upper bound timers Thomas Gleixner
2022-03-24 13:54     ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-03-26 21:13     ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-03-30  8:20       ` [PATCH v3 0/2] Upper bound kernel timers Artem Savkov
2022-03-30  8:20         ` [PATCH v3 1/2] timer: add a function to adjust timeouts to be upper bound Artem Savkov
2022-03-30 13:40           ` Anna-Maria Behnsen [this message]
2022-04-02  6:55             ` Artem Savkov
2022-04-05 15:33               ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-04-07  7:52                 ` [PATCH v4 0/2] Upper bound kernel timers Artem Savkov
2022-04-07  7:52                   ` [PATCH v4 1/2] timer: add a function to adjust timeouts to be upper bound Artem Savkov
2022-04-08  0:37                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-04-08  5:39                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-04-12 13:42                       ` Artem Savkov
2022-05-05 13:18                       ` [PATCH v5 0/2] Upper bound kernel timers Artem Savkov
2022-05-05 13:18                         ` [PATCH v5 1/2] timer: add a function to adjust timeouts to be upper bound Artem Savkov
2022-05-05 13:18                         ` [PATCH v5 2/2] net: make tcp keepalive timer " Artem Savkov
2022-05-05 17:56                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-05-06  6:39                             ` Artem Savkov
2022-05-06 16:24                               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-07-26 22:42                         ` [PATCH v5 0/2] Upper bound kernel timers Josh Poimboeuf
2022-04-07  7:52                   ` [PATCH v4 2/2] net: make tcp keepalive timer upper bound Artem Savkov
     [not found]                 ` <Yk1i3WrcVIICAiF0@samus.usersys.redhat.com>
2022-04-07 23:26                   ` [PATCH v3 1/2] timer: add a function to adjust timeouts to be " Thomas Gleixner
2022-03-30  8:20         ` [PATCH v3 2/2] net: make tcp keepalive timer " Artem Savkov
2022-04-02  3:09           ` [net] 6ef3f95797: UBSAN:shift-out-of-bounds_in_kernel/time/timer.c kernel test robot
2022-04-02  7:11             ` Artem Savkov
2022-03-30 10:28         ` [PATCH v3 0/2] Upper bound kernel timers David Laight
2022-03-25  7:38   ` [timer] d41e0719d5: UBSAN:shift-out-of-bounds_in_lib/flex_proportions.c kernel test robot
2022-03-25 19:14     ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-03-23 11:16 ` [PATCH 2/2] net: make tcp keepalive timer upper bound Artem Savkov

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