From: dormando <dormando@rydia.net>
To: Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com>
Cc: Brian Bloniarz <bmb@athenacr.com>, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 3 packet TCP window limit?
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 14:31:02 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1005051421010.28957@d> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BE1D3B0.9000207@hp.com>
> I don't believe linux as yet has a damn tunable for it :)
ip route initcwnd sure does it :)
> > Other OS's appear to have a larger initcwnd.
>
> Names? Values?
OpenBSD 4.6 jumps between a ~5k fetch to a ~6k fetch
> > As do commercial load balancers.
>
> Names? Values?
An older Big/IP appears to be between 5k and 6k as well. I remember a
sales meeting with netscaler (pre-NDA) back in 2004 or 2005 where they
claimed to have opened up slow start. There might be others but I can't
remember which side of the NDA I was informed of their TCP tunning.
Linux is consistently between 3k and 4k. Just the distinction from having
the RTT in the ~4k or the ~6k range makes our latency graphs go nutty.
I've been testing a subset of traffic at an initcwnd of 10 for the last
few hours and latency has dropped even more, though I see some bad
outliers.
> > The default of 3 seems to be tuned for 56k dialup modems. I'm a
> > little surprised that none of the pluggable TCP congestion control
> > algorithms changed this value. I went through all of them except for
> > tcp_yeah.
>
> The initcwnd comes from IETF RFCs and their "thou shalts" and "thou shalt
> nots." As you note below, Google et al seek to alter/extend the RFCs. That
> is an ongoing discussion in some of the ietf related mailing lists.
The RFC clearly states "around 4k", but these other OS's/products have an
extra kilobyte snuck in? Could this be on purpose via rfc
interpretation, or an off by one on the initcwnd estimator? :)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-05-05 21:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-05-05 9:10 3 packet TCP window limit? dormando
2010-05-05 13:26 ` Brian Bloniarz
2010-05-05 20:01 ` dormando
2010-05-05 20:23 ` Rick Jones
2010-05-05 21:31 ` dormando [this message]
2010-05-06 6:15 ` Lars Eggert
2010-05-06 8:51 ` dormando
[not found] ` <p2h349f35ee1005061513x1db24de0ld98a40256c481ac2@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <q2ud1c2719f1005061613yf90cd7c6r46ee23cc49858e74@mail.gmail.com>
2010-05-06 23:15 ` Jerry Chu
2010-05-05 20:56 ` Brian Bloniarz
2010-05-05 22:03 ` Stephen Hemminger
2010-05-06 1:37 ` [PATCH iproute2] document initcwnd Brian Bloniarz
2010-05-06 2:33 ` Stephen Hemminger
2010-05-19 15:31 ` Stephen Hemminger
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