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From: Richard Cochran <richardcochran@gmail.com>
To: Arthur Kiyanovski <akiyano@amazon.com>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 net-next 0/7] ptp: Add PHC timestamp quality attributes
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2026 18:41:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ama3UYqwwoJ3j8bq@hoboy.vegasvil.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260714020340.25014-1-akiyano@amazon.com>

On Tue, Jul 14, 2026 at 02:03:01AM +0000, Arthur Kiyanovski wrote:
> This series adds quality attributes to PTP Hardware Clock (PHC)
> timestamps, allowing userspace to obtain error bound, clock status,
> timescale, and system counter values alongside timestamps in a single
> call.
> 
> Motivation
> ----------
> The existing PTP APIs return timestamps without any indication of
> their quality. Applications that need clock accuracy and
> synchronization status commonly rely on external tools such as
> ptp4l, which implement synchronization logic and can export their
> measurement of clock accuracy.

Yes, and what is wrong with that?  Nothing, AFAICT

? For managed PHC devices — such as
> the ENA network adapter, whose clock is synchronized by the device
> without userspace involvement — these tools are not available, and
> the existing APIs lack a way to report quality metrics to consumers
> of time.

So make some user space tool that advertises your device's qualities.

Don't push this stuff into the kernel, where it doesn't belong.

Thanks,
Richard


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-07-27  1:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-14  2:03 [PATCH v4 net-next 0/7] ptp: Add PHC timestamp quality attributes Arthur Kiyanovski
2026-07-14  2:03 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 1/7] ptp: Add ioctls for PHC timestamps with " Arthur Kiyanovski
2026-07-15  0:45   ` Jacob Keller
2026-07-16  8:09     ` Arthur Kiyanovski
2026-07-16 18:14       ` Jacob Keller
2026-07-28  8:10         ` Carolina Jubran
2026-07-29  0:26           ` Arthur Kiyanovski
2026-07-16 11:22   ` saeed bishara
2026-07-17  7:18     ` Arthur Kiyanovski
2026-07-28  7:52   ` Carolina Jubran
2026-07-29  0:25     ` Arthur Kiyanovski
2026-07-14  2:03 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 2/7] selftests/ptp: Extract print_system_timestamp helper in testptp Arthur Kiyanovski
2026-07-16 11:34   ` saeed bishara
2026-07-17  7:19     ` Arthur Kiyanovski
2026-07-14  2:03 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 3/7] selftests/ptp: Add testptp support for attributes ioctls Arthur Kiyanovski
2026-07-16 13:00   ` saeed bishara
2026-07-17  7:20     ` Arthur Kiyanovski
2026-07-14  2:03 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 4/7] ptp: ptp_vmclock: Implement " Arthur Kiyanovski
2026-07-14  2:03 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 5/7] net: ena: Update PHC admin interface for error bound support Arthur Kiyanovski
2026-07-14  2:03 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 6/7] net: ena: Add error bound to PHC communication layer Arthur Kiyanovski
2026-07-14  2:03 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 7/7] net: ena: Implement gettimexattrs64 callback for PTP attributes Arthur Kiyanovski
2026-07-15  0:47   ` Jacob Keller
2026-07-16  8:11     ` Arthur Kiyanovski
2026-07-16 18:07       ` Jacob Keller
2026-07-27  1:41 ` Richard Cochran [this message]
2026-07-27  9:40   ` [PATCH v4 net-next 0/7] ptp: Add PHC timestamp quality attributes David Woodhouse

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