From: Boqun Feng <boqun@kernel.org>
To: Vlad Poenaru <vlad.wing@gmail.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, Eric Dumazet <edumazet@kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@mojatatu.com>,
Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
Davide Caratti <dcaratti@redhat.com>,
Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>,
Nilay Shroff <nilay@linux.ibm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 0/2] net/sched: don't wait for RCU when destroying qdisc lockdep keys
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2026 10:15:47 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <atehw5Cn5Ev7Z68i@tardis.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261020125335.678200-1-vlad.wing@gmail.com>
On Tue, Oct 20, 2026 at 05:53:35AM -0700, Vlad Poenaru wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2026 at 12:20:02PM -0700, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > I think my concern is still valid: for lockdep PoV,
> > lockdep_unregister_key_nosync() is an API that users have to use it
> > carefully, because it leaves the unregistration process in a stage that
> > you need to guarantee that the lockdep key reclamation is delayed by an
> > RCU grace period. Or in other words, do you have a way to prevent a user
> > from doing lockdep_unregister_key_nosync() but kfree(key), or some sort
> > of debugging to find a mis-use?
>
> Not in this version, but lockdep could catch it. Every slab, page and
> vmalloc free already goes through debug_check_no_locks_freed(), so:
>
> - lockdep_unregister_key_nosync() records the key together with
> get_state_synchronize_rcu() in a small fixed-size table;
> - debug_check_no_locks_freed() warns if the freed range contains a
> recorded key whose grace period has not elapsed yet
> (poll_state_synchronize_rcu()), and retires entries whose grace
> period has;
> - lockdep_register_key() warns the same way if a recorded key is
> reused too early.
>
> The table is empty nearly all the time, so frees only pay for it during
> bursts of unregisters. A correct kfree_rcu() or call_rcu() free runs
> after the grace period and never warns; lockdep_unregister_key_nosync()
> followed by kfree() warns on that kfree().
>
> Would that address your concern? If so I'll add it to v2.
>
Sounds like a solid plan to me. You can make it behind
CONFIG_LOCKDEP_DEBUG.
> The other way would be for lockdep to keep the dynamic-key hash nodes in
> its own storage, freed via RCU like zapped classes, so is_dynamic_key()
But this means lockdep needs to do its own allocation for the hash
nodes? Where does the memory come from, a slab or something? If so, I
think we should probably avoid that. But I like this idea more since it
won't introduce another API. So please do explore this idea as well,
thank you!
Regards,
Boqun
> never dereferences caller memory and lockdep_unregister_key() needs no
> wait at all. That removes the nosync API, but it is a bigger change.
>
> Separately, two corrections to the cover letter: please ignore the
> stray "From: Vlad Poenaru <thevlad@meta.com>" line (Eric, sorry for the
> confusion; the series is from and signed off by vlad.wing@gmail.com),
> and [5] should be:
>
> [5] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20261019170601.805087-1-vlad.wing@gmail.com/
>
> Thanks,
> Vlad
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-20 17:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-19 17:02 [PATCH net-next 0/2] net/sched: don't wait for RCU when destroying qdisc lockdep keys Vlad Poenaru
2026-10-19 17:02 ` [PATCH net-next 1/2] lockdep: Introduce lockdep_unregister_key_nosync() Vlad Poenaru
2026-10-19 17:38 ` Eric Dumazet
2026-10-19 17:02 ` [PATCH net-next 2/2] net/sched: Don't wait for RCU when unregistering the qdisc lockdep key Vlad Poenaru
2026-10-19 17:37 ` Eric Dumazet
2026-10-19 19:20 ` [PATCH net-next 0/2] net/sched: don't wait for RCU when destroying qdisc lockdep keys Boqun Feng
2026-10-20 12:53 ` Vlad Poenaru
2026-10-20 17:15 ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2026-10-20 17:26 ` Bart Van Assche
2026-10-20 18:12 ` Boqun Feng
2026-10-20 20:21 ` Bart Van Assche
2026-10-20 20:32 ` Boqun Feng
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