From: Rodolfo Giometti <giometti@enneenne.com>
To: Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com>
Cc: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
Richard Cochran <richardcochran@gmail.com>,
Andrew Lunn <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/4] pps: Always use ktime_get_snapshot_id() for pps_get_ts()
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2026 09:04:03 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b567acf8-c3e3-4b51-99a8-058ab42f3026@enneenne.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ar5cq0vslvQ00Pek@localhost>
On 01/10/2026 15:14, Miroslav Lichvar wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 09:58:02AM +0200, Rodolfo Giometti wrote:
>> On Sat, 2026-09-26 at 21:38 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
>>> So yes, the specific code path you're looking at *does* get slightly
>>> longer (50ns to the counter read instead of 30ns).
>> [...]
>>> However, they are *entirely* in the noise, as there's about 600 ns of
>>> hardware and 2-4 *microseconds* of software latency before we even get
>>> there.
>>
>> Thanks for measuring it, and on real hardware with a real edge. That
>> answers my concern: ~20 ns of constant cost against microseconds of
>> latency upstream of the handler is not something PPS can see, and
>> trading it for the removal of a non-constant error is the right
>> trade.
>
> FWIW, there are some polling versions of the pps-gpio driver (out of
> tree), which provide much more stable measurements by trading
> interrupts for higher CPU use and where this additional delay might be
> visible.
>
If polling gives that much better stability, I'd be glad to have it in
drivers/pps/clients, as a mode of pps-gpio or as a client of its own.
Its timestamping needs would then be part of the discussion about the
timestamping interface started in the 2/4 thread.
Do you see the extra delay there as a shift of the offset or as more
jitter?
Ciao,
Rodolfo
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-02 7:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-29 20:56 [PATCH v4 0/4] Add ntp_error to clock snapshot, enable NTP_PPS on tickless kernel David Woodhouse
2026-08-29 20:56 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] timekeeping: Apply extrapolated ntp_error to clock snapshots David Woodhouse
2026-08-29 20:57 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] pps: Drop the !NO_HZ_COMMON dependency from NTP_PPS David Woodhouse
2026-09-01 15:35 ` Rodolfo Giometti
2026-09-02 0:13 ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-28 13:37 ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-28 16:41 ` Rodolfo Giometti
2026-09-28 19:28 ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-29 6:33 ` Rodolfo Giometti
2026-09-29 9:32 ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-29 11:48 ` Rodolfo Giometti
2026-09-29 12:02 ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-30 1:28 ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-30 12:57 ` Rodolfo Giometti
2026-09-30 10:37 ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-30 12:57 ` Rodolfo Giometti
2026-09-30 14:05 ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-30 18:24 ` David Woodhouse
2026-10-01 8:20 ` Rodolfo Giometti
2026-10-01 9:08 ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-29 20:57 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] pps: Always use ktime_get_snapshot_id() for pps_get_ts() David Woodhouse
2026-09-01 15:35 ` Rodolfo Giometti
2026-09-01 23:56 ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-26 20:38 ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-28 7:58 ` Rodolfo Giometti
2026-09-28 12:59 ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-28 16:41 ` Rodolfo Giometti
2026-10-01 13:14 ` Miroslav Lichvar
2026-10-01 15:38 ` David Woodhouse
2026-10-02 7:04 ` Rodolfo Giometti [this message]
2026-10-02 9:07 ` David Woodhouse
2026-10-02 12:29 ` David Woodhouse
2026-10-02 13:44 ` David Woodhouse
2026-10-03 11:29 ` David Woodhouse
2026-10-05 9:16 ` Miroslav Lichvar
2026-08-29 20:57 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] [DO NOT MERGE] ptp: ptp_vmclock: Add simulated 1PPS support David Woodhouse
2026-09-01 15:35 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] Add ntp_error to clock snapshot, enable NTP_PPS on tickless kernel Rodolfo Giometti
2026-09-01 23:37 ` David Woodhouse
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