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From: Jacob Keller <jacob.e.keller@intel.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
Cc: William Tu <witu@nvidia.com>, <bodong@nvidia.com>,
	<jiri@nvidia.com>, <netdev@vger.kernel.org>, <saeedm@nvidia.com>,
	"aleksander.lobakin@intel.com" <aleksander.lobakin@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 net-next] Documentation: devlink: Add devlink-sd
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 13:42:32 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bae83d3a-662b-4bfc-ae64-1913d677bbdd@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240215180729.07314879@kernel.org>



On 2/15/2024 6:07 PM, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 09:41:31 -0800 Jacob Keller wrote:
>> I don't know offhand if we have a device which can share pools
>> specifically, but we do have multi-PF devices which have a lot of shared
>> resources. However, due to the multi-PF PCIe design. I looked into ways
>> to get a single devlink across the devices.. but ultimately got stymied
>> and gave up.
>>
>> This left us with accepting the limitation that each PF gets its own
>> devlink and can't really communicate with other PFs.
>>
>> The existing solution has just been to partition the shared resources
>> evenly across PFs, typically via firmware. No flexibility.
>>
>> I do think the best solution here would be to figure out a generic way
>> to tie multiple functions into a single devlink representing the device.
>> Then each function gets the set of devlink_port objects associated to
>> it. I'm not entirely sure how that would work. We could hack something
>> together with auxbus.. but thats pretty ugly. Some sort of orchestration
>> in the PCI layer that could identify when a device wants to have some
>> sort of "parent" driver which loads once and has ties to each of the
>> function drivers would be ideal.
>>
>> Then this parent driver could register devlink, and each function driver
>> could connect to it and allocate ports and function-specific resources.
>>
>> Alternatively a design which loads a single driver that maintains
>> references to each function could work but that requires a significant
>> change to the entire driver design and is unlikely to be done for
>> existing drivers...
> 
> I think the complexity mostly stems from having to answer what the
> "right behavior" is. At least that's what I concluded when thinking
> about it back at Netronome :)  If you do a strict hierarchy where
> one PF is preassigned the role of the leader, and just fail if anything
> unexpected happens - it should be doable. We already kinda have the
> model where devlink is the "first layer of probing" and "reload_up()"
> is the second.

Well, a lot comes from the choices made at hardware design to have a
multi-function device but then still have pieces shared across PFs, with
no clear plan for how to actually orchestrate that sharing...

> 
> Have you had a chance to take a closer look at mlx5 "socket direct"
> (rename pending) implementation?
> 

Hm. No I hadn't seen that yet.

> BTW Jiri, weren't you expecting that to use component drivers or some
> such?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-02-16 21:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-25  4:56 [RFC PATCH v2 net-next] Documentation: devlink: Add devlink-sd William Tu
2024-01-25 21:12 ` [RFC PATCH v3 " William Tu
2024-01-25 22:36 ` William Tu
2024-01-29 10:56   ` Simon Horman
2024-01-29 22:23     ` William Tu
2024-01-31  1:07   ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-01-31 18:47     ` William Tu
2024-01-31 19:06       ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-01-31 19:16         ` William Tu
2024-01-31 20:45           ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-01-31 21:37             ` William Tu
2024-01-31 21:41               ` Jacob Keller
2024-01-31 22:30                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-01-31 23:02                   ` William Tu
2024-01-31 23:17                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-01  2:23                       ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2024-02-01 14:00                         ` William Tu
2024-02-02  8:48                           ` Michal Swiatkowski
2024-02-02 15:27                             ` William Tu
2024-02-01 10:13                       ` Jiri Pirko
2024-02-02  4:00                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-02  7:46                           ` Jiri Pirko
2024-02-09  1:26                             ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-15 13:19                               ` Jiri Pirko
2024-02-15 17:41                                 ` Jacob Keller
2024-02-16  2:07                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-16  8:15                                     ` Jiri Pirko
2024-02-16 21:42                                     ` Jacob Keller [this message]
2024-02-16 21:47                                     ` Jacob Keller
2024-02-19  8:59                                       ` Jiri Pirko
2024-02-16  8:10                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2024-02-16 21:44                                     ` Jacob Keller
2024-02-16  1:58                                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-16  8:06                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2024-02-17  2:43                                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-19  9:06                                       ` Jiri Pirko
2024-02-20 22:17                                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-01 19:16                       ` William Tu
2024-02-02  3:30                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-02  4:26                           ` William Tu

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