From: Alexander Lobakin <aleksander.lobakin@intel.com>
To: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
Maciej Fijalkowski <maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com>,
Michal Kubiak <michal.kubiak@intel.com>,
Larysa Zaremba <larysa.zaremba@intel.com>,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
<intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org>, <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC net-next 05/34] idpf: convert header split mode to libie + napi_build_skb()
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2024 17:17:15 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <c4afc32c-e9c7-47de-9bc4-243df95644a3@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <658c4328425f7_a33e629412@willemb.c.googlers.com.notmuch>
From: Willem De Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 10:30:48 -0500
> Alexander Lobakin wrote:
>> Currently, idpf uses the following model for the header buffers:
>>
>> * buffers are allocated via dma_alloc_coherent();
>> * when receiving, napi_alloc_skb() is called and then the header is
>> copied to the newly allocated linear part.
>>
>> This is far from optimal as DMA coherent zone is slow on many systems
>> and memcpy() neutralizes the idea and benefits of the header split.
>
> Do you have data showing this?
Showing slow coherent DMA or memcpy()?
Try MIPS for the first one.
For the second -- try comparing performance on ice with the "legacy-rx"
private flag disabled and enabled.
>
> The assumption for the current model is that the headers will be
> touched shortly after, so the copy just primes the cache.
They won't be touched in many cases. E.g. XDP_DROP.
Or headers can be long. memcpy(32) != memcpy(128).
The current model allocates a new skb with a linear part, which is a
real memory allocation. napi_build_skb() doesn't allocate anything
except struct sk_buff, which is usually available in the NAPI percpu cache.
If build_skb() wasn't more effective, it wouldn't be introduced.
The current model just assumes default socket traffic with ~40-byte
headers and no XDP etc.
>
> The single coherently allocated region for all headers reduces
> IOTLB pressure.
page_pool pages are mapped once at allocation.
>
> It is possible that the alternative model is faster. But that is not
> trivially obvious.
>
> I think patches like this can stand on their own. Probably best to
> leave them out of the dependency series to enable XDP and AF_XDP.
You can't do XDP on DMA coherent zone. To do this memcpy(), you need
allocate a new skb with a linear part, which is usually done after XDP,
otherwise it's too much overhead and little-to-no benefits comparing to
generic skb XDP.
The current idpf code is just not compatible with the XDP code in this
series, it's pointless to do double work.
Disabling header split when XDP is enabled (alternative option) means
disabling TCP zerocopy and worse performance in general, I don't
consider this.
>
>> Instead, use libie to create page_pools for the header buffers, allocate
>> them dynamically and then build an skb via napi_build_skb() around them
>> with no memory copy. With one exception...
>> When you enable header split, you except you'll always have a separate
>> header buffer, so that you could reserve headroom and tailroom only
>> there and then use full buffers for the data. For example, this is how
>> TCP zerocopy works -- you have to have the payload aligned to PAGE_SIZE.
>> The current hardware running idpf does *not* guarantee that you'll
>> always have headers placed separately. For example, on my setup, even
>> ICMP packets are written as one piece to the data buffers. You can't
>> build a valid skb around a data buffer in this case.
>> To not complicate things and not lose TCP zerocopy etc., when such thing
>> happens, use the empty header buffer and pull either full frame (if it's
>> short) or the Ethernet header there and build an skb around it. GRO
>> layer will pull more from the data buffer later. This W/A will hopefully
>> be removed one day.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Alexander Lobakin <aleksander.lobakin@intel.com>
Thanks,
Olek
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-01-08 16:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-12-23 2:55 [PATCH RFC net-next 00/34] Christmas 3-serie XDP for idpf (+generic stuff) Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 01/34] idpf: reuse libie's definitions of parsed ptype structures Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-27 15:43 ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-01-08 16:04 ` Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 02/34] idpf: pack &idpf_queue way more efficiently Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 03/34] idpf: remove legacy Page Pool Ethtool stats Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 04/34] libie: support different types of buffers for Rx Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 05/34] idpf: convert header split mode to libie + napi_build_skb() Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-27 15:30 ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-01-08 16:17 ` Alexander Lobakin [this message]
2024-01-09 13:59 ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-01-11 13:09 ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-01-09 14:43 ` Eric Dumazet
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 06/34] idpf: use libie Rx buffer management for payload buffer Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 07/34] libie: add Tx buffer completion helpers Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 08/34] idpf: convert to libie Tx buffer completion Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 09/34] bpf, xdp: constify some bpf_prog * function arguments Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 10/34] xdp: constify read-only arguments of some static inline helpers Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 11/34] xdp: allow attaching already registered memory model to xdp_rxq_info Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 12/34] xdp: add generic xdp_buff_add_frag() Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 13/34] xdp: add generic xdp_build_skb_from_buff() Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 14/34] xdp: get rid of xdp_frame::mem.id Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 15/34] page_pool: add inline helper to sync VA for device (for XDP_TX) Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 16/34] jump_label: export static_key_slow_{inc,dec}_cpuslocked() Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 17/34] libie: support native XDP and register memory model Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 18/34] libie: add a couple of XDP helpers Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 19/34] idpf: stop using macros for accessing queue descriptors Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 20/34] idpf: make complq cleaning dependent on scheduling mode Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 21/34] idpf: prepare structures to support xdp Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 22/34] idpf: implement XDP_SETUP_PROG in ndo_bpf for splitq Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 23/34] idpf: use generic functions to build xdp_buff and skb Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 24/34] idpf: add support for XDP on Rx Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 25/34] idpf: add support for .ndo_xdp_xmit() Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 26/34] xdp: add generic XSk xdp_buff -> skb conversion Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 27/34] idpf: add support for sw interrupt Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 28/34] idpf: add relative queue id member to idpf_queue Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 29/34] idpf: add vc functions to manage selected queues Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 30/34] idpf: move search rx and tx queues to header Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 31/34] idpf: add XSk pool initialization Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 32/34] idpf: implement Tx path for AF_XDP Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 33/34] idpf: implement Rx " Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-23 2:55 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 34/34] idpf: enable XSk features and ndo_xsk_wakeup Alexander Lobakin
2023-12-26 20:23 ` [PATCH RFC net-next 00/34] Christmas 3-serie XDP for idpf (+generic stuff) Willem de Bruijn
2024-01-08 16:01 ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-01-08 16:09 ` Willem de Bruijn
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